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Hi

This is about improving communication between blind math students and
support staff on the one side and the LaTeX developers on the other.

I'll be brief. Kellee Sanchez's request for help started a discussion which
I found to be very good. It covers many interlinked topics. It will take me
some time to digest and understand. I'm learning so much from this
discussion.
http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/blindmath_nfbnet.org/2021-March/009702.html

I'm a long-time TeX user. I'd like the developers there, particularly those
focussed on accessible PDF and on TeX-to-HTML (or XML), to similarly learn
from this discussion. To make this discussion more accessible to them and
others, I'll summarize it in posts on my blog.
https://jfine2358.github.io/

I think there's a real social problem. TeX users care about typography.
Blind people can't see typography. TeX users love PDF. Blind people, it
seems to me, love accessible HTML. Blind students need accessible material
during the course. TeX developers think long term.

This need not be a problem. We all care about communication and usability.
We have shared interests and values. The social problem I see is that there
are too few connections between these two communities.

Let's have more sharing between the people on the Blind Math mailing list
and the developers on the LaTeX project. This conversation can help both
sides.

The LaTeX developers hope to produce tagged PDF no sooner than 4 years from
now, with math support to follow later. For math support they need to
extract and store the TeX source for the equations.  Achieving this LaTeX
developer goal will I'm sure help blind math users.
https://www.latex-project.org/publications/2020-tagged-pdf-feasibility.pdf

Let's make progress by talking more with each other. And working together
when we can.

with best wishes

Jonathan

This message sent to:

Blind Math mailing list
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TUG texhax list
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi<div><br></d=
iv><div>This is about improving communication between blind math students a=
nd support staff on the one side and the LaTeX developers on the other.<br>=
<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll be brief. Kellee Sanchez&#39;s request for hel=
p started a discussion which I found to be very good. It covers many interl=
inked topics. It will take me some time to digest and understand. I&#39;m l=
earning so much from this discussion.</div><div><a href=3D"http://nfbnet.or=
g/pipermail/blindmath_nfbnet.org/2021-March/009702.html" target=3D"_blank">=
http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/blindmath_nfbnet.org/2021-March/009702.html</a>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m a long-time TeX user. I&#39;d like th=
e developers there, particularly those focussed on accessible PDF and on Te=
X-to-HTML (or XML), to similarly learn from this discussion. To make this d=
iscussion more accessible to them and others, I&#39;ll summarize it in post=
s on my blog.</div><div><a href=3D"https://jfine2358.github.io/" target=3D"=
_blank">https://jfine2358.github.io/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I thi=
nk there&#39;s a real social problem. TeX users care about typography. Blin=
d people can&#39;t see typography. TeX users love PDF. Blind people, it see=
ms to me, love accessible HTML. Blind students need accessible material dur=
ing the course. TeX developers think long term.</div><div><br></div><div>Th=
is need not be a problem. We all care about communication and usability. We=
 have shared interests and values. The social problem I see is that there a=
re too few connections between these two communities.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Let&#39;s have more sharing between the people on the Blind Math mailin=
g list and the developers on the LaTeX project. This conversation can help =
both sides.</div><div><br></div><div>The LaTeX developers hope to produce t=
agged PDF no sooner than 4 years from now, with math support to follow late=
r. For math support they need to extract and store the TeX source for the e=
quations.=C2=A0 Achieving this LaTeX developer goal will I&#39;m sure help =
blind math users.</div><div><a href=3D"https://www.latex-project.org/public=
ations/2020-tagged-pdf-feasibility.pdf" target=3D"_blank">https://www.latex=
-project.org/publications/2020-tagged-pdf-feasibility.pdf</a><br></div><div=
><br></div><div>Let&#39;s make progress by talking more with each other. An=
d working together when we can.</div><div><br></div><div>with best wishes</=
div><div><br></div><div>Jonathan</div><div><br></div><div>This message sent=
 to:</div><div><br></div><div>Blind Math mailing list<br>TUG accessibility =
mailing list<br>TUG texhax list<br>LaTeX3 mailing list<br>LaTeX team email =
address<br>TUG members<br>UK TUG members<br></div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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