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To cover the transition, > we provide the older names here for a limited period (until > the end of019)." > > Does this mean one should avoid using functions such as > "\etex_iffontchar:D"? > If yes, are there any alternative to such commands? > > Furthermore, in "The expl3 package and LaTeX3 programming" > document it says (on page 7, Released 2018-12-12): > "D This means: Do not use. This special case is used for TEX > primitives. Programmers outside the kernel team should not use > these functions!" > > Again, which function should a programmer who is not a member > of kernel team use instead of "\etex_iffontchar:D"? > > Thanks, > Tisha Hello, We moved all of the primitives to \tex_...:D a while ago: the engine history is not really helpful in dealing with them. For cases where you *have* to use a :D command, we recommend making a private copy \cs_neq_eq:NN \__module_fontchar:w \tex_fontchar:D then using that. Joseph