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That a > given input will always produce the same output. No criticism at taking > LaTeX further, none at all, but we should probably say it much louder I suspect the team consider the recent developments “testing the water” regarding the possibility of incremental improvements. As the changes have been relatively well received, I think we can bank on further (modest) changes with a realignment of how LaTeX is presented to the world. I believe we all understand the importance of stability for LaTeX and that has really been its biggest strength since before I even started using it. But I also believe in very recent times we have started to see that stagnation was becoming a risk for the long term health of the platform. I hope that we can communicate this effectively going forward! Regards Will (From phone)