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This sounds a little funny ("we recently added support for post-90 things"), but thanks! > We are looking for feedback in two areas. Firstly, does the > functionality provided cover the needs of package authors using LuaTeX? The whatsit allocation is still missing, maybe it could be added to lualatexsupport? > Secondly, we would like input on how a transition to new support code > can be managed. We are reluctant to suggest a complex compatibility > layer for either our code or the existing packages, and suspect at this > stage that a clean 'step change' may be needed for packages working with > LuaTeX. However, this is a complex area and needs careful consideration. To be perfectly honest, what I'd like most is a pull request on the luatexbase repository... Maybe luatexbase could detect if the new format is loaded and just skip all the features already provided? This includes everything but https://github.com/lualatex/luatexbase/blob/master/luatexbase-modutils.dtx (and whatsit allocation, but I hope it can be in the format). Thank you, -- Elie