Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2ubuntu2.1) with ESMTP id t66MsAVm003984 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:54:11 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmx108) with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0M513C-1Yop6Y1rP4-00zGuE for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:54:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t66Mqhxp017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:52:43 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t66M13h6022641; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:52:42 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 12343736 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:52:42 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t66Mqg2a025838 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:52:42 +0200 Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t66MqaHp017096 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:52:39 +0200 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org X-Envelope-To: Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t66MqZM3004291 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:52:35 -0600 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.9/8.14.9/submit) id t66MqZpp004290; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:52:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: nobody set sender to karl@freefriends.org using -f Message-ID: <201507062252.t66MqZpp004290@freefriends.org> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:52:35 GMT Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Karl Berry Subject: Re: LuaTeX support in the LaTeX kernel To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <559AE0A8.3080907@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:CFYdLtMzBlY=:DgdNZVv9E+C9hTAzWeh3C5af/z z122lHApv6KNmtHD3DKiFhKy6+2Zg4HA5eO30Hr5Pi9QjyC8JKI9ruJ/1FwcCL5efQytitbrR Z+Ofs0JUi6lPHI11FP03cKMUx56LRp1PrLwftJ13EsVCtmh8ogCVtBS96HxVPApYPkvT5e5HQ +wG6nIsb58GASkAAjzLkUyhTRdq3sJUGzpKt4Y0jhYuZMG5jii7vGTqKfpTF8hl/wnijpIw4d V94HnbHVSuABeHVX18+1JAEaTxgm37rE02MtCPN514Jh5ZF2NPns9isxogHF+VUUxHbBStGOu MQYapHppod5vMK/0mTj7aSjAUIrxs9RRcVI0yHjLuXbnE+K9pZusA4D6QcDF5lVqC9DWNQM/D uDG1iNElDYEjnyJBfXPHU/dJYNO/JOR7k5DstodYruaaTCzsgKO0WoEE5bp7HuYRUWUtwOlgM 5CCzRQvPfe9YIleQ3eyVxov6F4fEqnc+l2zaq/2vvoq9t6f1ZHoh6oG3CNz4OHcIadeVJS/sd G6zYaGnprvSwLTpSHK1sdl8DfYec1ImsA5KFGJtCqVnKNIqZqVEJNdjD5Y142HDdsXuHM04vC hszZx/T2pIkwV86Yt7JjU54NqlRQvkXiUwxn9RTbhi/RL1VBicEFt2STNzKZOjdS4cgaAIUjH kPit5isuUdVfZwZ6vQoUVmbH6mYbikVnO1cjcMye6iV1lINe9iOr7ocAeWVLih+zV80h8y1VF 7M9Fc+hcvz+1Cvmt/2roxFmWZ2X8oa4uCoq0eBk68KZanQna5ZvG+miEpRahbmCO/f9Us1P3F xmOdLg5yOgxDIbe5SsM366tBiTVqnX4mSboZ/5zoS2BH0mvx5z8yVtcl44rHgSXgr4TZWUgKp ADq4e9Y+PYCFUgG0fSkhANoHSWOZLDrUT0P1P/O2HWp0shJUwExe0TFVmbE+o2ca6fKbEIfKs HWjypaO+QXCBDjCz4y2+MdlWerhC4tOKpC/HYZ5oK7K/UQqhRoKb+vJMfwXFU3y3EGetPG0PS ZIxCVjosEC1KPnTFFPQJ4dx+/+IGKu2Ccks/c5BaiwAMDWyEkBt9cGptX0ygadiM3U/+PdWhw S5FC/0E85rcp9PY2fzcSc2VvKchbHungZ7BsU7wImSsqIlFED7rmzP3NMoVvZr6t7LsyjzMfl eSUXeMJx627SUTGt+it68p6tAUKEady40BLmBgLQCZys/OHuNLpgFsgH3IbYFozAQM86/Gw4f uUkbIuRFBUDiDNY87YEHqUen/NM3P6jxm9TK3w7zoCbg0yscfgdmX/FDU8qgUfqP6SA3kds2G pQbGnF+oYpTkXQV5jDP5amzWiarr3dXy0qqkmhHv351NbQuxWn8ANRtBIc4NzJX1xWx7WszAs BwD+48Y4hziKoUBk6S7UZ91sNzDAUeNPBUfYWJo2gxmfsg3Bq0nzH9VXSS9wwBW/HnoyPZT1K 1tXADncysn9KCdolYipfUUUr7qHCg= X-UI-Loop:V01:nvIZZBW9aP8=:ZLVaHzxIltmclGF+rk3/bvfTWLArsoCbuxT1vZzxA0A= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:6lOuX+24QTA=:TNb0MBxht+Ui7nYDgp7TkE VmybMYohBaudRKdmdqW3b+uVuihfNQRSjNWBU8X60hSAl6ur00dLbGCX9iTaeGj/hp2gnuWDO gB+3d7Y07qWoveLHJfycA7xMdNTbKxQjp5Xgxrwr447Foy9QvQ8YcNC7F8OJnoiOmf9/hFWLT 46sKsUUr7O9ujbkyr/QyblVtNIch3ZxWz+liP3Co2rrSz8Z8TaPbdmZvpGIDEQrLyUu8lBkGA izLcloA6Sfr1tblGjJk1FiHdxSZqWhkAZ0+97RYPqnKCSiIXv7dreF/NNNXJmGm6h7ietQLd2 5moC0+YPSoMwqxE0c1CO0BUiY9sk2HTn9tvAWO/YBJNuJedaF9nk30+SZOJXXNDOrm0POoODk +qt5zkXjeuDa3ScWm7u23AXaqn8gtaM/2fGSvmK+ffiktSbUOEAh8Ukeq3XPu6Niv+fyEL07E madpOCe2P7HsPdHAQR9xdRyhdPzhZYsyI3Asv0sDydM/wq7NYKqf X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 85.214.41.38 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7749 we would like input on how a transition to new support code can be managed. Forgive the naive question, but is it viable to make the ltluatex code not actually break loading the existing packages? I mean, if a document using the existing packages can go right on using them in the presence of ltluatex, then all seems well to me. If that's not possible, it seems to me that every existing lualatex document will require changing. Which seems obviously undesirable, if, I suppose, just barely possible at this point. k