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X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 85.214.41.38 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7687 On 25/03/2015 22:36, Joseph Wright wrote: > On 25/03/2015 21:52, Karl Berry wrote: >> Sigh. Again: my point is that one way is verifiable and debuggable, the >> other is not. If all that's stated is "7.0.0", and a user's result is >> different, there is no way for the user to know if it's because Unicode >> released two different files under that version number, there was an >> error in the download, something changed or went wrong in the LaTeX >> processing code, or ... who knows what. >> >> With a factual, verifiable, piece of information about the input files >> used, any problem can be easily diagnosed, instead of having to be >> guessed at. >> >> (Not that it's likely to matter in practice, I grant you.) > > This is done using pdfTeX's \pdfmdfivesum. I won't get a snapshot done > today but will in the morning: check DropBox in about 12 hours! I note that both of the files with versions also have dates. I wonder if these might be as (or more) useful to most end users than MD5 sums. After all, a version/date combination is what we use for LaTeX packages, etc. -- Joseph Wright