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X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 85.214.41.38 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7686 On 25/03/2015 21:52, Karl Berry wrote: > Sigh. Again: my point is that one way is verifiable and debuggable, the > other is not. If all that's stated is "7.0.0", and a user's result is > different, there is no way for the user to know if it's because Unicode > released two different files under that version number, there was an > error in the download, something changed or went wrong in the LaTeX > processing code, or ... who knows what. > > With a factual, verifiable, piece of information about the input files > used, any problem can be easily diagnosed, instead of having to be > guessed at. > > (Not that it's likely to matter in practice, I grant you.) This is done using pdfTeX's \pdfmdfivesum. I won't get a snapshot done today but will in the morning: check DropBox in about 12 hours! -- Joseph Wright