Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2ubuntu2.1) with ESMTP id t2PLs8s9024610 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:54:09 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmx010) with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0M1BNo-1ZU5IY31WS-00t9rl for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:54:02 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2PLqTbY017021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:52:29 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2PCqbDj021475; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:52:28 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 12019330 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:52:28 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2PLqSVt011381 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:52:28 +0100 Received: from freefriends.org (frenzy.freefriends.org [66.54.153.139]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2PLqMmA016952 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:52:24 +0100 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org X-Envelope-To: Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t2PLqLNf005162 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 15:52:21 -0600 Received: (from karl@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.9/8.14.9/submit) id t2PLqL4E005161; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:52:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <861tkcpwx6.fsf@frenzy.freefriends.org> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 15:52:21 -0600 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Karl Berry Subject: Re: latex and unicode-letters To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <55132C7B.3060809@nag.co.uk> (message from David Carlisle on Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:45:31 +0000) Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:482nFkrJs30=:TXktv2ishft+CpEh3TOEkcHUI/ n/T0M2ijiQOj6KxyYE99jZFxcEkT1Kd81Nf/yLPfNTJEyUr1SqRagOOXHVeB0RpfYcW14fVJO wzKfkOz2qIslAtSReH4cXdFSL50DITCXCVtt2smgFjGwiGh8P1UF/uT0QgIz+DnVEDJygxOl4 CkDIan8Nmt/0ZB9ULEzI68EwVR0R5sSECmYUVCIIab+NQ/aNdyeggc1EO4/0kn82n12USt2MG oa7AJlqX8SVlBcUAjHqo/01w/GmSWSatj84p3S61aTfvmgJengf1TkPpLptgX6Z7AI/nSGgZx ljJfMtXfpDk/cgXk9Ajin39bltCCYilDeXgthBsBy/OBnmzVoGydpzbG0e3coWTD3PrhVL7dy OUbcIXtDr2ZNU6AZSzHSpbu2MoZCP8+rSXJwKSSecYq3wM4DpvVUGG34dHSaVLG1Npg2zmcJG up754gKC1lzSbtmziD/le1R27x4xWu9l+uxk0Wg9m/vrOfkUiINF5rgXObrs39kg/hwZ94D9Z cFTiOW9pzxeDDvBCwxQVaP1fazKwJIsxrYSVEUfAp9qF+v4XAc3vxoTYec/njDikjD7AHaYrY se6yRc215YtfsCOtqg8DxQNSrjqV4RD+ApvpJwaPOlMMHM2i1y9QjkYrqWyrxo2ee/mxCY114 zgfblPlpf85mkydXJHtoSD77VyTCZYhIooyb8X29wbHeD1Wr6BZbSNl/8vbgqlA4AChkRox62 onlL6n2eVnfnRILULGuFD31BHXSOPi22udUgqE8phr/ckJjmSBKjJYw1gk1+C9ksjS+8uKU1z 2t0S2Ec+OR1JkAbV++7lWDQmVSaShyp7qeVNyezhdYuLq9/y1vJqX57stIN0n4RobK3YoJ/uJ VXKVorNF1XdLjgFLAGl8UYHFkY93YqxJSTFRCsGStEETqbMUdZ/Xww3dQa5VCZrONqaX/zG+y vabwAYkdN70tODFgueym9O++BNEUTFmNrwzPF3C7zBQ5MP7m7yVouzzDIuPn9Ra5tbe6r0rk4 iDI6nY/HN328Ch8DVJSMPBOZKMEIvZgtsnABsHS5DV6HnWH9W0ydLjIT7/l6Gh5ck1/tWYI+Q NWFJGoFsKh6t5lUlYLM2Cf/P3ehHdXFE5XhNC74G3n5kxOZKhGCVZ8VYtoKUReu6HH2wNliEG GpNt1b94YUzKhKDo1NmX5mabOmL4tA06fZe3kvndgSCXlY79NUtkPYXZ1ihNpxV49gJpy6WLK 2HOAPt1cMcVsJV8EGXoP1hIA12HsG5RLaCHkZXErYpXUIy4rnXOJUj9qygZPNIZ+0zTyFFsMB +uQ3tqt6642080lb/2x/D84593xFNCRt2OEfFz35EaqttShynZ144EASgtGmBEl9+RnDgzAIu JMUE/fuYNupt7c+EoejU2R7Uhn9ZXel41ZsbLYWjx+OhBuUD1cIu/XS88m5xHSimdHEJDj2hK fpAGT8QxireQ+uwTlXCy5JKhaBPsVdCiCegzefy6Rl4t5tFQFp X-UI-Loop:V01:g5OoN2nn7PM=:gtKxneuuANoKnFEUp9oqMz+mymFqDp3zd/SMEJIz/9g= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 85.214.41.38 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7685 Sigh. Again: my point is that one way is verifiable and debuggable, the other is not. If all that's stated is "7.0.0", and a user's result is different, there is no way for the user to know if it's because Unicode released two different files under that version number, there was an error in the download, something changed or went wrong in the LaTeX processing code, or ... who knows what. With a factual, verifiable, piece of information about the input files used, any problem can be easily diagnosed, instead of having to be guessed at. (Not that it's likely to matter in practice, I grant you.) k