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David,

There isn't really much of a  hierarchy:-) The time needs to be right
> though and one suspects the time for this is approaching fast. You may have
> noticed inputenc changed slightly in the 2014 release so it detects
> xetex/luatex
> and at least doesn't trash the document (but doesn't do much useful apart
> from
> give a warning or error to give people a hint what to do). That was all we
> could
> do in the texlive 2014 timeframe.
>

I've seen it yes, and I really thank you for that!


> Your're down as "inactive" in luainputenc  support according to ctan
> catalogue.
>


I remember a discussion with CTAN people to add "LuaLaTeX maintainers"
(with the mail address luatex@tug.org and a link to
https://github.com/lualatex) as active maintainer of the LuaLaTeX packages,
I don't remember it clearly, but it seems that this wasn't done :)

I've been inactive during a few years, and I can't say I'm 200% active now,
but I'm definitely following all the development of LuaLaTeX... on
luatex@tug.org and as an admin of the https://github.com/lualatex group
which contains the repositories of the main lualatex packages... I'm a bit
late for a few things in luatexbase, but I'm still planning to add them one
day! I'm still active on Gregorio (gregorio.cc) which works only with
LuaLaTeX, and this is one of the main reasons I want things to work fine!

If someone has dropped out of TeX altogether (as happens sometimes) we
> wouldn't
> want to pester them with tex questions, so that meant the situation with
> lualatex support
> wasn't so clear when we were investigating this earlier in the year..
>

Sure, I understand that! And the mess between luatex.sty and luatexbase is
maybe a bit difficult to understand too... I would like this not to have
happened, but working with Heiko was (and is still) impossible, and things
needed to be done...


>   But if you are still around
> and we do start to incorporate ideas from luainputenc into inputenc, we
> might have some
> code to test later in the year and would be interested in your comments:-)
>

I'd be really glad to help, yes! Philipp Gesang is more active than I am,
he's maintaining and improving luaotfload, and he's doing really a great
job with it, It would be worth having him in the loop too... Other
historical LuaLaTeX developers (Manuel, Khaled) are not really active
anymore.

Also, something I wanted to say in my previous mail: I think it's time for
a mechanism to handle lua bytecode loading in the format (I'm not in front
of my usual computer and I cannot remember the right words for it). LuaTeX
has a mechanism with an array of such codes, but a package cannot say
something like "I want to have this lua file in the format", it needs to
specify "I want bytecode 0 to be ..." with no idea if bytecode[0] is
already taken or not... (I'm not sure I made myself clear... do you see
what I mean?) Not many packages are using this mechanism (expl3 was the
only one last time I checked), but I'm planning to add something for
Gregorio, so we could work together on that...

Thank you,
-- 
Elie

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<div dir=3D"ltr">David,<br><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div tex=
t=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">

    There isn&#39;t really much of a=C2=A0 hierarchy:-) The time needs to b=
e
    right<br>
    though and one suspects the time for this is approaching fast. You
    may have<br>
    noticed inputenc changed slightly in the 2014 release so it detects
    xetex/luatex<br>
    and at least doesn&#39;t trash the document (but doesn&#39;t do much us=
eful
    apart from<br>
    give a warning or error to give people a hint what to do). That was
    all we could<br>
    do in the texlive 2014 timeframe.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>I&#39;ve seen it yes, and I really thank you for that!<br></div><div>=
=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
   =20
    Your&#39;re down as &quot;inactive&quot; in luainputenc=C2=A0 support a=
ccording to ctan
    catalogue.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br>I remember a d=
iscussion with CTAN people to add &quot;LuaLaTeX maintainers&quot; (with th=
e mail address <a href=3D"mailto:luatex@tug.org">luatex@tug.org</a> and a l=
ink to=20
<a href=3D"https://github.com/lualatex">https://github.com/lualatex</a>) as=
 active maintainer of the LuaLaTeX=20
packages, I don&#39;t remember it clearly, but it seems that this wasn&#39;=
t=20
done :)<br><br>I&#39;ve been inactive during a few years, and I can&#39;t s=
ay I&#39;m 200% active now, but I&#39;m definitely following all the develo=
pment of LuaLaTeX... on <a href=3D"mailto:luatex@tug.org">luatex@tug.org</a=
> and as an admin of the <a href=3D"https://github.com/lualatex">https://gi=
thub.com/lualatex</a> group which contains the repositories of the main lua=
latex packages... I&#39;m a bit late for a few things in luatexbase, but I&=
#39;m still planning to add them one day! I&#39;m still active on Gregorio =
(gregorio.cc) which works only with LuaLaTeX, and this is one of the main r=
easons I want things to work fine!</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div text=
=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    If someone has dropped out of TeX altogether (as happens sometimes)
    we wouldn&#39;t<br>
    want to pester them with tex questions, so that meant the situation
    with lualatex support<br>
    wasn&#39;t so clear when we were investigating this earlier in the
    year..</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure, I understand that! A=
nd the mess between luatex.sty and luatexbase is maybe a bit difficult to u=
nderstand too... I would like this not to have happened, but working with H=
eiko was (and is still) impossible, and things needed to be done...<br>
</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">=C2=A0 But if you are still around<=
br>
    and we do start to incorporate ideas from luainputenc into inputenc,
    we might have some<br>
    code to test later in the year and would be interested in your
    comments:-)<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d be really=
 glad to help, yes! Philipp Gesang is more active than I am, he&#39;s maint=
aining and improving luaotfload, and he&#39;s doing really a great job with=
 it, It would be worth having him in the loop too... Other historical LuaLa=
TeX developers (Manuel, Khaled) are not really active anymore.<br>
<br>Also, something I wanted to say in my previous mail: I think it&#39;s t=
ime for a mechanism to handle lua bytecode loading in the format (I&#39;m n=
ot in front of my usual computer and I cannot remember the right words for =
it). LuaTeX has a mechanism with an array of such codes, but a package cann=
ot say something like &quot;I want to have this lua file in the format&quot=
;, it needs to specify &quot;I want bytecode 0 to be ...&quot; with no idea=
 if bytecode[0] is already taken or not... (I&#39;m not sure I made myself =
clear... do you see what I mean?) Not many packages are using this mechanis=
m (expl3 was the only one last time I checked), but I&#39;m planning to add=
 something for Gregorio, so we could work together on that...<br>
</div><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br></div><div text=3D"#000=
000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><font color=3D"#888888">Thank you,</font><br></div=
></div>-- <br>Elie
</div></div></div>

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