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20 May 2014 21:34:08 +0000 UTC References: <537B6C0E.4@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11D167) Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id s4KLYFfM003193 Message-ID: <8919C598-7CF7-4AFB-A231-0B6D1C4D4495@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 04:34:04 +0700 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Chris Rowley Subject: Re: Unicode math To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:WPxFlLOIPs0=:75z6NMcRu1Z/8qLPDwgMxoAgtr 0yU8/NIMntbj09n5CSxoufJrDHb7UXy6BWrY18G277FxBXGYAiiy/bXGKNBeRHOqQOu9ZEE+Y vWdJvErc9vT3+NaDWqbF4lshkYdeMHL1RqE2AdODLYr17aP8lgvxIyt6ISmHbYyc11lQdIT9y 5FdG5XUerIBNaJtVTW6VRYkTZx4LiM5Vg7jez9tfrEwhKy5O/6ilhM9atbI9RDkJgoAeTjp5S N+gOlOxyqNjpINv1TKogmoz6utC9jjzW7jW6FnQ29ZBPThMzVYLt8FymV4fWS2nN63GBzFeDi YWmke/pVfVr90NNCIsVgl361BRKdpVtQ9m4II/ehKyamulpQTkWjUtc27c3VU6jw7AzMF0KGV NbmrVc3AypB9edqr4z0IPjIsDasDLWBp2NGaKVoylhf0obgVAi/OYYeSnqXhAgQv7G8C/tntR aQ15fV1w1uWd+VHXFH/hRjBrex1hJYw4wr3LC4+Wjghvg3furpem5NABN1fhqacA/2fP7KdUd tV48YyUU14U+pB3ScDF2d61qtMZ32BWV0KRf1tTELjKKOEDNdE+lb6hrB3DLZGuE7xrQx98MS QJaNpbjNftnjoc9RoAHPoxU+lBKu/Vpyzy6tqXpVCP9PBIC42LjBK5nX0OtXexzyySohmEgdu hFnO4n8b02VkAuU8kOotD1m2qT1wtTmdPHgyX5O57j7kYxlPTV1uMP0kZ22JNcEm/VvCA6Va9 R3EiyPmyyA062KaWDewkmLB5WIVFS0KvsMedDreWrt8qc6JreDDZIEIqUh4KUPiLovDC6QuXO U0icYSRQfhlBA2hOJKWGrEqqCf7NgfmD+j9tr0m0SogTowqAoVOLNRouzy7jTObECnKGxvkXX ynIgGoF81k1ixOsYLz7DRdMXoAS2+LJT10MnzP6ZRL/I3W0+XAaB03nCtx6QNe9nV4VUAYEfo G08U2UXJJowumnBU6U32Pirg7zeIB8CHDB7W9fJF4uMyTJVk47IifDtl0M2z8UhEsHZ66CUM4 HMVUOSEen2CEzoxQTQIK0GAAu+6ATwoZHENnooaz3Vk2WBtZp1TGxBUYdCtTGS9oSc6oyqBU1 3J83EEw38ZAOU6+0FLgC/i9q2DmJkH/SK+LdyA1ORsIYcz1S85hK2TbEKHllLLn2SH7pOI+mI iK2Z3VJWzakoMif5I+9qA05RoKMrRKzN0vcbwWFRlkn2f14Ql1Wxzgunb0X+XnoGXMA9QBXKu A3H9PESfmk19Z4nJKG0yiFWFQ8SSPvc/l4UDZ9qRovGany+FK9tXGxBV8R5iPfgBcZT2GK6jE fbvYMcZpajCoVk6WC+s7E/mZtMvHBvCiorEcynqdXRvFC8YyJpvxt5MlP4mFxFbyiHa4RqaP0 1jHc0v2ZDKMyzwMVemFbdesZK8t7PXQ3eiDWqGsZjKJxXV94df94bZsFQyUj33ZPN3WMR2jTx KFR0mEHgZT6N7kvVBxrmjC+nofTZB/xenCDsV6X1aklHVluFniS3ldadhbruJTxY6YBTS1IaV AzV+hdtumneAQxNo5SfJyWYUSJlYNakhopMklpxOs X-UI-Loop:V01:sPI0ht5mRto=:DmboV+Fz+MiZwV4X5TDUttVS9s2Ca/GiI3wcVdalIXc= Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7426 On 20 May 2014, at 22:50, Barbara Beeton wrote: > i think maybe the "proper" thing > to do is recommend declaring these > multi-letter non-\mathrm strings > as a special kind of operator name. My personal logic as a user of such operators agrees largely with this. But more simply, I think of them as something like: \mathoperator {\mathtext {\textbf {Var}}} Giving the new command: \mathtextopeator And the declaration: \decaremathtextoperatorname But we may need to distinguish operators from variables. The variable case would include the case of 'variable names' that include spaces (I find it difficult to imagine an operator name with spaces but who knows?) The rm case is then, as ever, special as the \mathtext etc is not needed unless spaces are used, but they do no harm. But is there not also a need for 'unkerned regular roman text'? More generally, there may well be some 'multiple-character' math objects that should not look like words (eg no kerning and certainly no ligatures!). Chris PS: the term 'identifier' is not, at least not until quite recently, ever used by math folk.