Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id s4KKBHeo029220 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 22:11:19 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmx008) with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0M35rL-1X4duh17uZ-00stfo for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 22:11:12 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4KK8Upk018423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 May 2014 22:08:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4KEvo0q012985; Tue, 20 May 2014 22:08:29 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 11051272 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 20 May 2014 22:08:29 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4KK8TJi027339 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 22:08:29 +0200 Received: from mail.ams.org (mail.ams.org [130.44.10.30]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4KK8JJx018322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 22:08:22 +0200 References: <537B0705.60605@morningstar2.co.uk> <537B20DA.3000002@nag.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:08:13 -0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Barbara Beeton Subject: Re: Unicode math To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:cubfGMrPV5w=:VFggcOYDO4yr7fHKJDONhOjP+5 MAKlxoPuCNwNuwWTz9+PjWUpC/pYp/ZU2blDNaoYl5Gq9onKACNQoGRZ8cFmexyP98mcV5rnI oZPRDZtgTFQuMKXnzyOX9g95MmCtZWe5W0TScTJ8s0QQ/n4aFswfni3785fZH0u+Ftx8htLog 2KUpYz6Olu5lYhlIoWN08Xdkm7TPAv5YdaprageujegS+PFH9Rw0YuE1KjlaAYLLJCTI2miV8 HrwDk/RhJxtEG/hV7T/wldQCi7CvZes0ovlpOsSbTxUA1VzaEisn0y/sL9ej1OsTWL0ss9aT7 PPi7yE7WWaAOTCmcNz5DpBokFUccNUb/Askq0seUsEcDuK1qPhaJ0gk4WHhgElaz3CrKdikzL HR0N3Skl1hbcDqe5cBs9egMNGOmoVoC9/0Y2HbdBUm9PRistmdItOKxksoNxkMCnpKinMgKGQ xkY+EOUa430b89xz0P2oRoUTpgSEjczZZMbpQAOM9ezVP47kkFfIXoyTM9dcmq+PF24lMU335 rikeV3ZZ1Qqx1tzWKVMRTuT2damfS89xg9Fi7nQbP5GNSQ8bYjc58CmVXy6qrKRXigQw06c16 kmUYgPNIHCXBjXGCDmQ/4GDYa2Zt85oLTnUHnU4iG+ZNEtkfFiRmoCcnxuFNwGVVBOEqwoA7o sih6jgcSN2RPMCo2eMCBxN3peffNpvWBQ5ZJnRgdNQDahtuqCVsrxo0gzIxZXOYwPjN/5ZxZx ERCNFe8EVparS1EOuD772udOL1jWiElfjmiZmSA8/CrKL0GyPWZdKFcCg/OFBMi2D64ghLUez 72RHZh3dO9Gzy7QBwsENgTVnDiOb1XvTUGu5n0D2qwgCJeaTNp8v9bUFoEEGTBln8kChnE/0W ktjsP1sA/T2I6X1Nj+B2yRWYBCIG5JatT3/nwEryzxFPrj7ZLnJJRLO2FPGZ/l4o11qFZLTnF ekptpJUE+d7LdnVhVX6LbAXCYIkBJVnhs/Vudk8vn9aA5B1miMN+XHsDXxYrblFObWDjkAKPC 9JLXsKtv/P5kJ4bmCJ52i5OsIpSjAnwxRq+u7Iz+F7iuCgrUIRiN15ee6wAhSEP8lx0p9oqA1 CDY2dpDSs9IydX1rBCpzbICTRfj4zNkbFpZIuBredZ6NZAPZfWF2IBDC9aUp2Dub7U7Q/JDZC gtLqlK607XITOhX9/70MO+Ip2uOSPUwMK1ReD3ETd7sK2zFt9GEEooWlxGjwbZ1z33W2F+LLY F6eMTSpjNS/xVxXl51hA1J/4zrT0UWtWmxuTp5+ksUBW1fVSl7kaBgYFaMJF6BrBgBtbkO9Nb EtlVn0tULvlFzKkzqutKbxMS3BOtf1ENI4Cc/1AzuQ5epQvP4z2fxPcEloXc3sA2k4JZtoMZ+ l62r47BmHHxuwqMzQBbk4RR7Y+lRmvgVc4jwNGE4VqkFIthkkC4GyOTmlk2cUEKt7IpR0vgsS 2NlDtooB852p/p6cdfsCpwBIcONF+M3Ydihbad3QIgQCxGkrF5plbUmBPh8BDxh0C5sZzU4YC orRKsbiyNk5RoMAOsfz399E0MJFxEqTY2tgT8zs3D X-UI-Loop:V01:E7h9L+5kclM=:5zMnLcegcu1ZJpySP8PS3tSwSuHakKyTSrYMzKTCDAU= Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7424 On Tue, 20 May 2014, William F Hammond wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:31 AM, David Carlisle wrote: > For that use I'd think > a variant declaration which would define \mathbf to flip the mathcodes > into the U+1Dxxx block > using the base font rather than define it as a swutch to new \fam > (\mathgroup) and would be useful. So long as one minds the gaps in U+1Dxxx (actually the several gaps for which the unicode folk seem to have thought the characters were previously defined in the U+21xx block), though maybe it's not that much of an issue for \mathbf itself as opposed to \mathcal, \mathfrak, and \mathbb. At least they were thoughtful enough to leave those slots empty. :-) but there's one pseudo-overlap: 1D48D (italic "ell") is often replaced or substituted by 2113 (the curly "ell") by meticulous authors. and it could be claimed that the power set, which was originally (in the unicode 2 manual) listed as a meaning for 2118, hasn't been properly accommodated, since the shape shown in version 2 was obviously the weierstrass p (now corrected), and the shape of the script P at 104AB is not suitable for use as the power set. but all the slots in the 2100-214F block have been filled in, so the power set has been effectively excluded. (i'll pursue that with the utc.) Just seizing the opportunity to make everyone aware of the gaps. all is certainly not perfect. but whoever is creating the latex xupport for unicode fonts should "do the right thing" so the users don't have to be concerned in most cases. -- bb