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Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:pNgNMDgsR6w=:tOAXSKhSSG6XZeXKEYwPIx0zjN hrY9KMYZ6/T1udeNLQsvv0S45cj7u+p2U36o+bHg9KDZ5/nzmWif4VhCLXLEps+VxWitH5b0D +gZOwFe0fFqRP1Vg/XKNX29vvSdzSG6q2clAMQwuEdwADwdFMPoby6zzTDdoL/FukxogfkpRS W3fl9FLO4REUGkw3ExX/vBZulDWiD6MeWPvjALyh0qzSx7/7hXtfJ9hP9V9/7YX8qnFqW4CGv Wb2gGPZy8/QP0qQdJ8x2PV5opMgEyCxwgUL4NISPXgnDSx8SoRsAYsOXmpOshzJesm3G+2ZS5 TD4BeucnkuKDgq2n5w1ke64W2NlN27BgvNDhrJF3a2fTFYOEl6cIlwPzSBHm9FaGas9cRXkjV ewCxL57nt7kbCUeMfiJTvHRZUpBxCwLSsjURdEYTYhmtWzzA+q5X8I0EkFaFvRZ6918rlzr1Q P1odAsV16/RRGI6D2eFjD6pJUkoTPy5SWeaXHAXqFWnphIGA0amNv7fCYYc3KoqPdghtVI63e FyXn0DR4VOlZ2ojtqfftScNNRpQlI41b4ojGAF57XdEgg65gEcOlhr7UYUXyPPIqPjtXvIiGm EvC/fqnjoBZp10zOSvXAUxVZSuccJeNjs4tJLMFNmGMuSukLJF/3gkMvTm4WAVyH54/qwx7iS F8g7L5sKcZX5TTcT0TQnB3+ODj21n3PNvaWJKLA6sydGfFOgaI2nxPvJ1u4Z07qo9XL1ulGeA c9WZ/8aXr7J/9DRQ4FViZanJ5AZ2pluOh3XQxjImHqiyiC8xPKsa7hdCuEc74LpDP/8+cIJcS VGmOx8OXCQpfNdJeMsb78RbmwPJb4xwY3zMUY7/9HW5rnyd26rduAB4D3U8nes4QTJ5BUhZjX ynwP+9roSv5iQrUTWii5chQJQi1Ak8AfgOyLED+S1I//k28zdtHtdHq4is2ob4/eC8HOJKRYj pbFr7bgC/fPVwytpMalnsgkhQ7WVmsJaFV4A2yb0QyzEuCmczkBmRwOk1QOGA6d1vxkf328Hn g3krx3CLWNLzBrnfS1++hXrTF58WDgMfX67v30/JPaZ4YLuDI18qioqifrL85GigftARPDIGr wj+i5/JeaC+7+muQTlRYxzDcu/mtrxw1qN+tjrCPotwwQIeT7xnP75+9Y2l2/MfCIaeC2hRoE KKGWWRnXojPI7SMmyqGrPWsk+5EK4moKoLO18bInJ1N8O9vlknIL6m7tBfwPCLDVGsMxcaxpn rFmG5j8YK1O7IYGmWt+xP6h2ywuFtCYEjzOmK7jT22XmNl6iE3qhMCU8WXbf2TxIJid32gsj1 AxQGT7SdxWVCTEOMhZRG1Pm40dw4Uw9q/6xafT6f5jB1mRUltLxRJ7vrYqOYC5ZUHyu8X9Ie3 Pj0h4J9btYFSd5fQ13d3R8P3dJ4ri7Q9wPBiUe7BLA++6RC8iUngk4c4U9jc+du1lbBsKqYyP 6XYSfBkwwTsM0q1yFkmRnsOqyHMMgOcypGwa1xYaQy1ypncOQtRPRWZSHBsgp1sf7nFVQJsux s011wWjSwvnRPsf/iZy+NOkM6gFT+vzxI9Scj7AEf X-UI-Loop:V01:O/4iovtgR1Y=:nE762weYyAzZo4bTQGt/WfexKrm6Uyot6yLgajEIu9M= Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7419 Am Tue, 20 May 2014 11:39:35 +0930 schrieb Will Robertson: > 3. To get proper bold symbols, including Greek, we'll need a whole new set > of commands. These will need sensible names of some sort. Below I've chosen > \symbf, etc., which doesn't look too bad to me. > used for bold math identifiers that aren't real single-letter symbols -- in > such cases it would surely be sensible to use (perhaps a variation on) > \textbf. Imho math fonts should be fix fonts, they should not like \textbf switch one aspect of the "current" font but always to a fix, well defined font. Also chars should not only look ok but in the days of unicode also have the code point with the correct meaning. That means that a bold "T" in math should if possible be the one from the math plane in unicode and not a bold "T" from some textfont -- even if they look the same. So in my opinion the current \mathbf-etc setup in unicode-math actually did the right thing and improved the standard \math-commands. I wouldn't like to loose this completly. If \mathbf pointed to a textfont then everyone who wants the real math symbols would have to replace \mathbf in their code by \symbf. And back again if he wants to use a text font. Wouldn't it be possible to have a "\usetextfontasmathbf..." command which disables the mapping to the math plane? So that one doesn't have to switch between \symbf and \mathbf depending on the font setup of a document? -- Ulrike Fischer http://www.troubleshooting-tex.de/