Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id s4KDMbWg027179 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 15:22:38 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmx012) with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0MRjmD-1WJqE32jaD-00SyUQ for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 15:22:31 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s4KDJusM006732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 May 2014 15:19:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4KAjAGJ012490; Tue, 20 May 2014 15:19:55 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 11030539 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 20 May 2014 15:19:55 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4KDJtuC009582 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 15:19:55 +0200 Received: from mail.ams.org (mail.ams.org [130.44.10.30]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s4KDJbSm006538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 15:19:40 +0200 References: <537B0705.60605@morningstar2.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 09:19:30 -0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Barbara Beeton Subject: Re: Unicode math To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <537B0705.60605@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Ana0SVXGMRA=:dMvzDWbVvp55w/2LXws+shN75L 0PK8263BNtE2Cg2X57iRx/QXQ+v6ykKMtZhaUq7oOgO9eX6FGkNZBGBQYCx5CW8+GgkGDlsng 8iDrW4yGG4oVyAZg6k2cvWHjuBoy70u197JBhLX+07FbJoB2Xy7YweXxZdNTzsQg1ucgwna6O t1f2/Nwq/HAjmmbGXSnd/GahLSRBWogf4vHQNNh+4x22MWUUrbSjghwHZWSDBf3oWdWwzmz1t B2Om4yu/m5sjY7+G23PdTujKrFfyqzDdZTg+jiZQ6a6b/O0WHPml2CVLrXE/l/SmHWVkI5jXs ijnt6wgutkf7T5kJAmDHLR4YKPM4h1sPbB22vNDEX3A7GTjH/HB/XtOtC12iZoBUkmhs4excT LjTxpsccKXWDoYQ/nFdWaFSzLvCbrG+5/euAJg/DLd8WcPdQ03JiyrdgjBnXMaIseB5UsmTvu iThnm6VKEI/ydCxN4DNciCB5y/uxFnKAhCigGUJUij1ryFzbijREHSWgpO37vK/jOfHgh9UbV XiMH/SImVwl5GZTFxnSdzCQx7H73DODsBGsVER9NinTPf7+t+eOKATpiBfsiOKAzDZGQF7U61 ZP3Ghjy8kfK3gex3nko980UhJAli+i71692huGzgI2K4CkiyUi6E5onjgHIxF/w/GJ3HL7VeQ PfGvoMqG7CktIKTMSqh/mRHnxBJHcaU6y0V7qtHJNlJJlAmx/I8sSJxhzjRe6QVcITSF/DdKw UN6WKssq2dDmEIVeRlM64hbWetr2+CkBLQVGOmME5xS8t+r8ZAgls2+5Yx0r5aEZbna3z6g79 nF/PGDdStQsn+DkRSyGNUzvt5jiBGJY9Lx6ERtO8mpX3GrbfDqacTmoYx6SDDBGjqI4DLDB+3 qAeTFSAZa9VYXZDOG0a7CuqK9HkH5YJsDUXBWvfq0BiCrzwSMZG0896dK2SAA6yWkRkhDTz9c Adeu8msyd/RYcToAGpswpcivrviarvlreD1SAN16FsO3UpzqOBgCkY3eUpi5wOZ6Dj78YnRgD +wyco/Rkyxv8A/tgdo5DlP1LbT/VYcdlCiS0IQX8FTLFVEBtsYNBN8RpgXVKqX5Rz+1OTqKek vQMPLD/2VKK/yqpBsJI9hhzTQC1qvo/IZcCKyWeffiWO35Os/p6t80yf+iw2kDmjXAZ1ECLTk Lkjaau5NYfgeEYHzmMYtSTlU0UYJdojHrhLBPFbHjesyTF6MsjM/l5cnnAwVMlER7I0/BaBTs QROa0MNy8Jb+Jbh9V35jPjzZVfU75Cx0OfK3kgn93LBXEMMASZeggkoyGU3b5GqivByyd4XEe slx179FUOQPMNyXAEL18Qk3DsrqyT7vLrWrkeNi/k1kmOqJ84Xwt24KQYxLTFLQzdcdcb8GHd EFVKh658hmcomSPRT7ROtER8B8D8kp3wSlnF7qSSiCAiKYeOG/dZybL1LugIAy0cWqzX2iGR5 M6o5uGyaN9BIDGfvkNLb1cJ4xMHq0YEsBN+lqnW3ignVGg2fF6Ig0JlZkp5XL5xzvFARbTkxc EitvXIpc0ag8oCMbY4fFO8bqSp9yXrVO4FhbW/DLC X-UI-Loop:V01:CZEOeRTmD5s=:2iHwVe/GbAoPYWYy1JFYMZbr1JkT7xfzSVbWVdyNAiY= Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7417 On Tue, 20 May 2014, Joseph Wright wrote: [...] > In contrast, Unicode math defines a number of alphabets in a single Unicode > font, including mathematical italic and bold mathematical italic and many > more variations. In OpenType maths fonts to date, these symbols are all > designed as single-letter identifiers and not to be used for strings of > characters such as "Re" in italic or "Set" in bold. To be clear, the Unicode position is that e.g. bold-B for magnetic field should not come from the 'bold' font but from the bold-symbols part of a single maths font: correct? That being the case, have the Unicode people considered at all multi-letter identifiers or has this simply been missed at present? (Anyone on the list sufficiently well-informed about this?) having been the stix representative to the unicode technical committe, i hope that i'm sufficiently well-informed. the unicode people didn't consider multi-letter identifiers specifically, since only single letters are (normally) given character status. as pointed out (i think by david), one goal of the alphanumeric block in plane 1 was to be able to drop single characters into text and have them recognized as math identifiers (one of the "math subgroup" was murray sargent of microsoft, who has been responsible for the ms work adding math to office). another explicit goal was to be able to search for individual math expressions by unicode to find in what documents a particular identifier had been used. explicitly *un*intended was the ability to easily use, say, fraktur or script for wedding invitations, hence the location in plane 1. the unicode goal is to have only one code per "meaning". hence the absence of the "usual version" of an alphabet (usually upright lightface) from the plane 1 math block. (the absence of lightface sans greek is an oversight; this has been resubmitted, with a reference to nist special publication 811, http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/pdf/sp811.pdf page 22, where lightface sans is used, though not by name, in the definition of the *dimensions* of si base quantities. one greek letter, theta, is shown; not sure whether the theta is upper- or lowercase, but it's the principle that's important to the utc.) more information (and history regarding the deciding example that resulted in the inclusion of the plane 1 alphanumeric block) is given in unicode tech report #25: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr25/ regarding identifiers, see utr#25, in particular sections 2.16 and 4.4. (the latter section does strongly hint that the characters in the plane 1 block can be used for multi-letter identifiers.) hope this is helpful. -- bb