Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id s44C7dXM031836 for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 14:07:41 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmx110) with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0LfoZS-1XDU0y1lGc-00pOc7 for ; Sun, 04 May 2014 14:07:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s44C4jlq018484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 4 May 2014 14:04:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s43M13SQ007603; Sun, 4 May 2014 14:04:44 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 10865966 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 4 May 2014 14:04:44 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s44C4iCY029182 for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 14:04:44 +0200 Received: from smtp.demon.co.uk (mdfmta010.mxout.tbr.inty.net [91.221.168.51]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s44C4axM018443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 14:04:39 +0200 Received: from mdfmta010.tbr.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta010.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AF86F8788 for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 13:04:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdfmta010.tbr.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta010.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D056F8638 for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 13:04:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [80.177.31.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mdfmta010.tbr.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 13:04:24 +0100 (BST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <535FB8BC.2040409@nag.co.uk> <536078C4.5040103@googlemail.com> <53619354.4000606@googlemail.com> <5364C1B8.6090106@latex-project.org> <5365C1DE.7070802@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDF-HostID: 3 Message-ID: <53662CD2.7080805@nag.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 13:04:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: David Carlisle Organization: NAG Subject: Re: preview of latex2e 2014 release To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <5365C1DE.7070802@googlemail.com> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ODQF8Z7gkzc=:yReEFCOCY+2brZibP9dYU/ua1l oIqfIbVRLy1avL8402N7eYkkOffJugAmfQWXip0hPQsk1KA3K/gcOp/HoluvgqtE+f/204x+M EDdiEEyRgDLi5qGMj4a2kMLRfV2YDHMvBG9YxUldB1BhoxSXIyhgtKUMlB/RsjlH5zpeLG03w jJJB1kL4O3w9VXWg6iEUoeULXmIjmQ87QTjDOS9ZB+iaiTWJqLSDAx2KHxfGKli2sKkFIYbBm BU5xTUQuLZCA7ctxjJJPpb36e+kTaqH/WKyLjEvSWit1CMb16Dado9etRazvKiDSIGO9/zSnB E3YdpwbySizh6+dvAlwDkVEH77aCe+N/4r8245Fw9PqgJdH417DiFaBiyXE/V3HiAVVE9alF7 MFpgGSMfRQLDDVhvsSxhU+xcGrx4s7BtlNEJ2F/6HPL5prBIFVXuEw6RxbLAILK115Vp/LDI+ Swpf1OB8di2uWTYzMvYdhqSRHE3fxhOhcPSruFFXHOHwY/UyhIAapA3l1Bj0rJYsusUTv/AQg LFFcmL1oCi7MX5jMtZcS7LxFUI1vubaVo1IslXnoFa5NLXTuECvc/8aaa2qXgoWruH89ydijk 7RIk4N84rTQi6lULe7q/kOphBLuu9K6aef+LubShzRMTa49D4vvkXwM2OC50h0x7iwSzkNMeB hZruXNQfSfzzmiLGa33WM8bXNowGI76eyp5Oyoj7isXW3KpwsH5rTaQd3lq3eybaOhj3ZHe/g rJm4lo2V5JWAvj+6uQUC1+Trj4rxSeRo6NMc7zvQqFQ+rlYIsSkrr4pepCxlzPC6PzIWr9WKc 9EZpN0uzPR8moqf0aZzM0q3Bja3HeEAfVt3EDf8HMbGgyYDFeZ9RsxZiEKyIxayTko3TgEJUG 1AXVDevi/Cn2ZlJZXDbq49JpKm+IlKvmIMZT/jH88FAzsSe6YK044617wDlmFAUxrep5tRq7U UfByDvvUh1J66gqDwMLNMCaJTO+KAXko07rVQrEWKaFBjO6zuy0EDFcjylo4OGToUrwyVFv12 xsKzshnG8yyXRwB7LrHSY5BEv9DqFjlL2m0Qf6fB/rWsIZWYYecCr4/503lmKdo2BfQNyrJ9l hqWuJ//U4aX6i5qWbElSI8LFe8GWCNMq3H0dGGlUFgnZDYyOb9CyYD0bCDDhdHWvSpDjxkG0k tomro6zgjxVvc3lRAXnDzv+JbjPB6/FAMfXBDMk1eK/RGD8yvCSf/MOXoCIao813+rzr07tN5 dJfNCbu/D9jSrvsJHazhD77t9UqqEt3b5OlQIvbu7pj1GM4a+lrtopv1dnMR5JgoHcJ7Km1YO AW/XT1tKSgphesZIlx4UwmanxhhGk+dthBXEwxlyskInbLSurtEA1ZAJZpcJCg2Zxz1PmreWd y2sHeG6H4Xp7CKbil0IFp/ReIH7+lHO2jGUb8hGPM7h74tYh2/ot3CQaRD1dwYpwGywsHlI84 E4jNdEHA== X-UI-Loop:V01:PYvOY+QiqBE=:7gvBTR8eUJcDCJoKgSD6JoSkIASKtUpNVGdoCTswYRc= Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7385 On 04/05/2014 05:28, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > On 03.05.2014 12:15, Frank Mittelbach wrote: >> I think improving on the error message is >> certainly helpful, however a solution would need to work in all cases >> and should not draw on packages that may or may not be available. > > I am currently writing a package that implements a better > error message, e.g.: > > ! Package inputenc Error: Unicode char ` ' > (inputenc) (U+00A0/NO-BREAK SPACE) > (inputenc) not set up for use with LaTeX. > > However, it would be helpful to have an interface/hook. Yes agreed improving that error message to give the codepoint could easily be done in the core and a hook for you to give a more expressive message would also be a good idea, but not this time, we really need to stop and an announcement that the final ctan version is ready is imminent. Even if we rushed in a last minute change to add a hook, it wouldn't really help your package unless you _only_ supported the latex 2014 release. There probably need to be further changes in this area to pull in ideas from luainputenc or xetex-inputenc and introducing an interface now to change it next time wouldn't really help either. But we will keep you in the loop of any planned changes to fit in with this idea. David