Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id s12Ne4Ve031811 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 00:40:05 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmx101) with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0M0wWB-1VFWuP2pbT-00v74T for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2014 00:39:58 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s12NbK1Y029176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Feb 2014 00:37:20 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s12N132L026741; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 00:37:19 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 10686981 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 00:37:19 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s12NbJUa028297 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 00:37:19 +0100 Received: from mail-qc0-f181.google.com (mail-qc0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id s12Nb93f029155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 00:37:12 +0100 Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e9so9938026qcy.26 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 15:37:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.30.66 with SMTP id c60mr48274874qgc.13.1391384229357; Sun, 02 Feb 2014 15:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.59.78 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Feb 2014 15:37:09 -0800 (PST) References: <52E8E264.4010800@gmail.com> <20140202092147.56667308@aga-netbook> <87iosx29nm.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <89ECE88578D8F648A22E307DAEE885794775B488@SRVUNIMBX07.uni.au.dk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113a09e8bcaff804f174e269 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 15:37:09 -0800 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: William F Hammond Subject: Re: Feasibility of GUIs for authors and class designers in LaTeX3 To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <89ECE88578D8F648A22E307DAEE885794775B488@SRVUNIMBX07.uni.au.dk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:sT/omeNT7IQ=:CkBR4HNKXl+sCDgjjX+JTp78vG ScLdcrREerJyP0VUvcVKibaoCfijfIb2+kBfvQtdsRBSHPYGPQMPmZ0r4vE9JRIf9QCRcvpS5 E7Fsv/ElIt1HnSc5LniRBGV9VkOwgHP85e0m/nMa35ocAArrRDWeD9Mi5vZojL5lKLogTETSk CrjWJVv+WZwBVGKBFZGVOSbmkBgrOfwdBOUpwyxSDxBmrZXiOZsj/c9p7Yjabqb81D9XX/ZOI fok/WPxLlTx/Cy2HOag2ag5wdqixD1N7sRFWiYO+XohiQcxBnjZNyfEaZw+PhPyqVns3fUU8v qcxEkc8FvoY92OEnkrRy4bxxG8BIqSyqA5bRzLULnUx/n6iSe06Ny8eGOjaoZAsETPndj5B9Q rnHF7iDUTIB5BJLzoIm0ToKR+pqrc77RfO3WWAoMo+Kn73Ijkp/n9YaSRLy99CmvNFMQa14qF GPR0rgSdfR25J7xW8ULQt1rkyzF6LLaQ5Io0CoUiLY/TOi8qTe0t8l5CoOjrZyt/dPa1FgQ7p xANlwk66iJPX3LkhquLEhjbSWIK6mMkYB3jyBps+7zZjAVxxTMx2Vo/NPM6x13AsZQGd/Sb31 oZaMGX3Qfe9fVwmcr+1ekw9NF9Yn3tPF0EB0xlDnvLqx1yrKo9ZWZbbHydhn6zQnHOCQlNSc1 k1XLXwnGDQw4UBkDa7BB0OtkYh/nwymW3t+Xnx5SpaqoioZr2AKXxAuW/08TEQ8PY9JncpAtZ mEToLAsl7NazebEFZNPEKc7RuffcDjXvhIssxWE1x6rFnwJ8G7khw103ICS/r2QGs6PebnSP/ oyfNmpYNxFQcNBg510up7hae+aZNxkgi0nRrd7YUuSi4gCPDGCqwPhbWWmucMmfxuL5oauIru Ulh74wBeeauAHao/opBGSnjqgAk2iDuOoc26+hFKVtL+z9JU58LcPJrSmx9Vvm05oX6N6DIoZ D0KRYhNlWkh8t4qORvapilgwmhHKp1uC4GzcSnWKsx/PQDBEXlrup72KwlfTiSm9AO/lw4+zY fNQ4wnjUwDKa4zrLkqX6KeK9tcBcj/nS4boS3rZBuJD0UAxkrystWuXSYecZwzrMa4TRhmqFF VVRLMQHx+fbNXfwVrwGSdx0UXD77rRCFFnaN15ZXeU7Od1UIexLfcB3DQhObfXgU2b4Xvz4vA P0jkRQCk6ePhCRnV/aYvGFmvg21eBpMUYJNCZlf2d9sGv3IP8N92antqOC1wCVVtDvDNTw1Un pGMFy1k15+3bSRZWHqOkzM0m70mMPZDi5hpt1862YEfUuvFg/WKDqnC3O/AVUrtIP82UHQyyn dgrhTYRYvod/B5DIEaZ5m8esuUOHVD5UkudgqqCHUD5V+r5wWx3d/jLUWZ9EkRQ4O8yES+ra8 j97wwxTQVPfFp61fQem/vNHXIFiM0qyNUIqn/kyry+De8w32bZ94wmoSqSb X-UI-Loop:V01:mb/sRxsTeUE=:mmId9Rvnc3BbrhOiM2dFnjdpn/IXXNLYv17FMT2YxOY= Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7328 --001a113a09e8bcaff804f174e269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Lars Madsen wrote: > . . . > > It is really depressing seeing stuff like this. > > I have no idea how we should educate these people. > > . . . > I would not try to educate those who don't care. But many clearly do care. Those who care may use the new track, others the old track. In the new track with its pertinent user-level diagnostics one could have the LaTeX program print a diagnostic and then exit, forcing the user to correct the problem, one problem at a time. -- Bill -- William F Hammond Email: gellmu@gmail.com https://www.facebook.com/william.f.hammond http://www.albany.edu/~hammond/ --001a113a09e8bcaff804f174e269 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Lars Madsen <daleif@imf.au= .dk> wrote:
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It is really depressing seeing stuff like this.

I have no idea how we should educate these people.

. . .

I would not try to = educate those who don't care.=C2=A0 But many clearly do care.

Those who care may use the new track, others the old track.
In the new track with its pertinent user-level diagnostics one could h= ave the LaTeX program print a diagnostic and then exit, forcing the user to= correct the problem, one problem at a time.

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