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Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3f11jhBFUjI=:TkrEezF+v/ol6H6ZSPenBlZVxq T2sOC0m+DMgmWLKofuItjwlS1qdeDRk/GfyBU+CU/YesgKXFaPdteZ75E50z3JQ9FVTbngiep xIA8AduPf6iYvXvLVCZ2OjbSYO+mbmcFUnHqfsHT6PQoMw5dfGcHYAPBQR2saIzzW+XNVnQd+ mLZtgznp4VZCou3NkiSDJjDHJJqK1Q89rjP1jPANRdm4kZivzn/5n2/lkFiwrvJKTBPY3T1Gi 9TQ24KaPdB/E5bb8QHITV1y7BmXasyQwl3+RY1CDD52fQ/m6YvhWUKLKKDmArCn1YmW5t4u1m xpQPLlEzQwpBVzj80UUSAiB0penEoEU4iQqBHM+4EhI3JpEcCLnm8GIwuwiemONwQmhChz+TS tJmVxXCBAHROOGDWqkDdwzKf0eSM5v6qSJJbFz1j4XXYoYJZmxc+nkaW5O4GFaVRW4df4ybbN M26f9Mh3h8LFEdNQURjmWi9HdVLxrKNDr4liKLrxwAwvNL0e0VFopL/Gl+7VlTNkG+dP8lkRy s7KHBfyjR5G+SIYrN/aXtKhAmlU1KVz8S3Ot28Yj/O8b6azNCiWSwDsT23DCxnT1kkXzZ4xCD T8Do5m8GPpSifCCGYsYkgi0i2en10kGXuVApN36BlIGKLxtrQ3/6M9gg5VZWNJrbop9b87/Qs +Br2CMhHgqSHXJL6H9YrrTIsbklhG6ZQ27OesKku2ryP6yMNAfgUvJ2VBqfjp0fYlkPqngG3D Oo5tvC3tbuEF+kxtMR6Qtu1RHnhFqIZSHvmg5xSg/lDjXKnsd7gSX+yIB5G0Qp/H100u+tE+p QRPY8yI2P27HlLd4v0N4r8ZsQEVwpbqTDSHOaUgZ0jhk0gpzn8e9GDOxUs/Se46Q3Iaf5hJ5d JrK0kHOSDuOAbDIoVBJmNklbp9kTnqSfCnzZvjNHf+Bwacb8wQqOhBEdQyKeAmDMb/1IKZ072 XZNUV6R4hLmgTecsQ0S41Pum2xfpx21Con4vYtGuO5esMy8rctfpPIW0pSmQ/BYbSmI3uiheB 4iV/dffThe+doVbrOA1CW3vDQP+Deh09Iyd0fvhLxSDHIzKP/aBI3z4X3gRs/MQKDcxDxPMsb 1lkvS2Yk+dwWiSizqX6g35Is8oq1iDoeTt3A5kLGYrvGF0TWmPdUdTLnWiDVppQrIJ9anBUS/ m3j39m4ZInVSubEMuLTZDv5CJbgl9OYX+J0uvJlHk9hyehodkGgbyfWvOMw9vel62aljF1zTh uM9rWYsQINh0aS9JyO58dR710O0nlCOgOx5N5jnZX7Fh0d9u2Ba/P1SIoMawZp+OquK7LcYMn 2fNxcKq7KxfJow6lTdiMBVQletOWc9Vz99qfpuOVCdzUK4Mg8CMfYs8Bzz2yeiq+tbEb3QPPh r4sDsS3nv5nLJWnF9aGoFOrL8arP26M/A0qHPqCSYa/tUv63qvEQ0f/qC3b X-UI-Loop:V01:MWaXrOWWPKY=:H0HFjAka5XMg7249ZKe+FWndKrlBw7ngKDrxTWjOvww= Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7326 Am 01.02.2014 21:02, schrieb Sean Allred: >> But that's just my humble opinion.:) Maybe if you could provide some >> >sketches on what you were thinking, we could work on them. > Your humble opinion is, as always, valuable and cherished. I've > attached a PNG of what I had imagined such a system to look like. I'm > still reading through and learning about LaTeX3 layers and the state of > the overall project in general, but this is a realization of what I > understand LaTeX3 to mean. The Balsamiq source (the same tech UI.SE > uses) is available at > > http://www.github.com/vermiculus/gui4l3 > > Feel free to correct any misconceptions I might have about LaTeX3:) on that level none as far as I can see (though this might always change when getting into the details :-) my main point would be that there is stuff wrong with the template idea the way it is now and part of the way it presents its interfaces. And how it will be married with the LDB concepts (and how they would need to change to fit the template concept). However, that doesn't really hurt much when building such a system because adjustments on both ends should be "fairly" easy and each side might help in understanding how it really should look like in the end. cheers frank