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It allowed you to select old or new system. It was n= ot a problem, although everyone did have to switch eventually.=0A=0A=0A=A0= =0APaul Thompson/Joy Hembel=0A=0A=0AProfessor and Senior Scientist=0ADirect= or, Methodology and Data Analysis Center=0ASanford Research/USD=0A2301 E 60= th St N=0ASioux Falls, SD 57104=0A=0A=0AO: 605-312-6462=A0=A0 M: 618-974= -0473=A0 H: 605-332-1587=A0 F: 605-328-0401=0A=0A=0A909 N. Charleston Circl= e=0ASioux Falls, SD 57110=0A605-332-1587=0A=0A=0A__________________________= ______=0A From: Karl Berry =0ATo: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UN= I-HEIDELBERG.DE =0ASent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 4:40 PM=0ASubject: Re: Tim= e for \UseExplPackage? (Was re: l3keys feature request)=0A =0A=0A=A0 =A0 or= dinary users may have to change to a system=0A=0ASince you ask for comments= ...=0A=0AMy expectation (as I've expressed more than once to Frank, Will, = and=0Aothers, by email and in person) is that any such latex3 format will b= e=0Ainvoked as "latex3", and "latex" and "pdflatex" will remain entirely=0A= unchanged, invoking latex2e.=A0 Thus no users would be affected unless=0Ath= ey choose to be.=0A=0AOtherwise, as far as I can see, essentially the entir= e LaTeX-using world=0Awill be broken, and that will harm everyone.=A0 =0A= =0ABest,=0Akarl --219877140-1931201144-1374192461=:57082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When the switch to = 2e took place, it first required a special call, and the header was differe= nt. It allowed you to select old or new system. It was not a problem, altho= ugh everyone did have to switch eventually.

=
 
Paul Thompson/Joy Hembel

Professor = and Senior Scientist
Director, Methodology and Data Analysis Center
S= anford Research/USD
2301 E 60th St N
Sioux Falls, SD 57104

O: 605-312-6462   M: 618-974-0473  H: 605-332-158= 7  F: 605-328-0401


909 N. Charleston Circ= le
Sioux Falls, SD 57110
605-332-1587

From: Karl Berry <karl@FREEFRI= ENDS.ORG>
To: LATEX= -L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE
Se= nt: Thursday, July 18, 2013 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Time for \UseExplPackage? (Was re: l3= keys feature request)
=0A    ordinary users may have to change to a system

Sinc= e you ask for comments ...

My expectation (as I've expressed more th= an once to Frank, Will, and
others, by email and in person) is that any = such latex3 format will be
invoked as "latex3", and "latex" and "pdflate= x" will remain entirely
unchanged, invoking latex2e.  Thus no users= would be affected unless
they choose to be.

Otherwise, as far as= I can see, essentially the entire LaTeX-using world
will be broken, and= that will harm everyone. 

Best,
karl


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