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(Was re: l3keys feature request) To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:YPFD8aubWhA=:4TPLvswn98bKFBRqBMfNUMLP9N sIxproxrmGNLrSmLSpq5tIvMR16xVeIqm2K61FFoSAavc6FgBmJySjsKjOc/12AFkkxaHh8od v7QMg87LC/7YcLhHfw1qVQbkgrSzEDzGlb29Dbst7nW87C0e4QkSyYhH7FUL1/wbpx8kyU3H/ 6PdmWUQv22qRQFt53yv7h9QMVMQjWS6OXwauEGpv3O9u52dgBp8QnPIu01YHpvW2pbg8nH8hV eH2KrKFxwsWf1Ygk4k7QC9LztY4AmqxCLRDNbRC4uKU2HYSdy2nY0nSCqlAnC04qidk5fih75 ZpFYPa5XknxGHMc/NuAG+2tqwfvUToZHq0J7iTeE6khHpAg4/A4mZQEZNmhviPCawe8ukwnE0 xKUNvEQ56F1qHUJJ18rE7ObS8XJgdg/YcLn06jt3JspKlB8sIE6W/hTDjp5f1XGlWO4oR5IWS fjZ7bu0lTAnVMrKO/qKXOpOUkf2cqwR/2tLaFVFt62xwLDLrcqozEuZSbi8WWgyOX1DbrzHV9 4I+UmsyxImlxOWgG4WRgNuvcEmwaotRDnrJzN2rXZ4JAZRoG3MfY9NJgXltkft1E9H9OkxnsY EHXQohDJgC91nxH57l+klYb4Xm2fQgmUoPfWPdPPZkutcir2uBTICU5J1BxKSFI+VOKrtsVLM qcc+GDH5Ig6lV0uFkKy7DQTjcR9eA10jPLzI+NI7vlpABO5G+bPXAhw9IufHFcX6WFokw5GTa qIk7JqaXe7Z+xU4fOQx+BcjJpH2JJq4fFFe0jnphbo43qBoE4zyrpgRtWZYVcH8u8/jWcU5It ixk/XJluwOJzX/qazYfSvonfj03UOe/0ze5X/ucQe/BPIoml4fKD4DwEHtvwTJZ+Wn33qxXoe 792s1yy84KADCzXLwBdbd4REkyvgpyRzAlxnCZNidFtoEEZrdZsONI3Uj+6T54ye/EqnJR7z2 NDoDD7Moc3MwNVOW7ybjHHyRmSJm6DbBC++uEelfRxOmt+sBNIiaY0bv7AQDX1kDf8nlol50G vW2sGhzcdhTQm4FsytU7fkSOGzX6O1vQoNO+CtJeZzrG5M/agaa9l469Q/b49ioprNOA12af1 wjGmL+rLHQ0o1g7NxK7gjyKLZbbD7uupBflklPbsOOxXCsJY3MMkvuZLghNcfh4ntdauKh9tC +H46WCiG1u6y8ott8RfLsqcHdY9tsoB4s3mRCep8j8CCJj2FKidKBVl78VGzm12T5NkQaJXDF xnPfe91yFKXiJdXpdziP8R78OokjakliYVS1Z3eGcmWRCfTV60FhKafrzbeDaEYsFzn/H7DOl NR6lZM9Rm811v+aMc5yb0rApt/ciO+6eeIzCoF8o7+/BkEmiSWmTTegO4NXabBSmyV+HPl5PM vYqL4gpQbXhrVReod9pzPwqbwEMsO+JB8FpoI254l37JKzZEYXQAz3ag0/1cojU6yt009ipbu sPmK9Q2PiKCV4+k+cv5QsQEGfAZN3kfA7F0dRWwy0p8IbPQ98ONTnedwDhg+bdwYrA95ADvaH 5Qp5f9jTJIU2+q4A/hVD/xoAEqA47yCJnAoJPnK9SKIx7q90CByncXhhOVBpCtg5V1EkWBRqV UAq6F8NL/M4= X-UI-Loop:V01:z1NER7wfV7s=:LO4uVENUabI5+4TkKPE1rm0sv8yz6YMwNNQZvv1N+3Y= Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7263 I can't see anything worrying in that statement. What has developed so far for L3 nicely enough runs on top of a 2e format but the more it becomes complete the more will be the two centuries of plain TeX + LaTeX 2.09 + 2e code in the current format become a burden. And as a result there may be a point when it will be more economical to drop that format (and perhaps support certain 2e code as a package). Whether the new thing is then a format in the old sense or something that is loaded (like it is now into 2e) remains to be seen. So in that sense it might be not a "format" because these days the loading part is not really taking that long any more. Frank ... written on the iPad but not from an iBar Am 18.07.2013 um 16:56 schrieb Chris Rowley : > Joseph > >>> Until we actually have the basics of a new format, > > A new format??? > > That sounds worrying as I am passing the message to the million+ everyday users of LaTeX that there will never again be a need for different 'formats' with all its technical and sociological problems, primarily because they are handy only for last century's technology levels. > > So I hope we can have a consistent message on this. > > Chris > > > PSent from a bar . . . maybe an iBar. >