Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id q08F5ixR029792 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:05:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 27203 invoked by alias); 8 Jan 2012 15:05:39 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jan 2012 15:05:39 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx016) with SMTP; 08 Jan 2012 16:05:39 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q08F3Xkx013492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:33 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q07N145h011115; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:32 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1925318 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:32 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q08F3Wkb031350 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:32 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q08F3PF9013458 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:28 +0100 Received: from mittelbach-online.de (p3EE3FE18.dip.t-dialin.net [62.227.254.24]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MQcnt-1S8yjR2pB7-00U0TY; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:03:24 +0100 Received: by mittelbach-online.de (Postfix, from userid 783) id 63BA39409EB; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:20 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on Marlowe X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.123.100]) (Authenticated sender: frank) by mittelbach-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A32279409E7 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:19 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4F0970A8.3040503@latex-project.org> <4F0978F2.9000703@nag.co.uk> <20120108114619.GA29129@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de> <1326024999.76644.YahooMailNeo@web24705.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120108-0, 08.01.2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:+d7HrHaT8yaNIrqVEOiREvvsQK82+Kbpo2en0yxR+iC j742e6wj4Z5K6RriW4MbzHQqIsRXy7IueIKw7NWDeWgt57Dk0L Ex5e8xMw2RbhKJXTLtMrGD/UqIbwrzQez7S87tOlV+sbsu79dP CbFz1umfapi0f1KVBxrk4ITEcszG1kBvjUqKSgJqfy6G/1AIRx T5AEz436RkNjlWjN1W1+FnzEjos3i8G8DZJvuv+FETPMHHKmm5 0D8tr5Qc6S8vB/CcfjRA/QZzlW7H9+Zbn8XygDL+ksPOeEXT7F Eck2XuPFQ2HXN+gHLwS3IW2/lBbvM9LxMR4JJXUUQxyQWlxrgh VC4aGfAL7fNK3tpRo5PJYw5ANnphoKRcUvl8AjywM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id q08F3Wkb031351 Message-ID: <4F09B036.8090707@latex-project.org> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Frank Mittelbach Subject: Re: trial typesetting support To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <1326024999.76644.YahooMailNeo@web24705.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (eXpurgate); Detail=5D7Q89H36p6sJLDpZh614LdjtwLz6vwIcft0v7kjkg22gMTQuSUz+uvPj7HtnnHOQmKzX rEYLJd+mRMSExHxVYa12hNRLASW0xkXBRpFYuMVaX/ij1v/jGAK84XQhd0wMjf9SrUTElNohDION yxtF81mNvhOtowbJq3WpjjQaPZm9iIdatkin9ksKq2M909Z5RNGj21q6FM=V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6988 Chris > Of course, the most general solution, for the future, would be to move to: > > Full separation of ‘text input’ (data, pure character strings) from ‘tags’ > (non-typesetting process directions, typesetting hints, etc), so that > Only the Text gets Typeset — Always ** The OTTA Principle. I don't see how this would help here. Can you explain? The issue is that you do have conditional "input text" that depends on tags around it so you can't necessarily just typeset the text and leave the tags alone. For a small isolated piece of text that might be true but any larger portion might rely on the evaluation of tags inside to typeset itself correctly. So how would this work? frank