Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id pAFFZSOb026523 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:35:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 28475 invoked by alias); 15 Nov 2011 15:35:23 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Nov 2011 15:34:39 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx029) with SMTP; 15 Nov 2011 16:34:39 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAFFVYLL021262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:31:34 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id pAFEtmEY019804; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:31:33 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1982810 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:31:33 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id pAFFVXoV010233 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:31:33 +0100 Received: from anchor-msapost-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-msapost-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.165]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAFFUtn4020088 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:30:59 +0100 Received: from capjwrightlap.che.uea.ac.uk ([139.222.114.70]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH morningstar2) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) id 1RQKyN-0001tI-kx; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:30:55 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20111115141537.GA32150@hzdr.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <4EC285AF.30503@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:30:55 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: rien ne va plus after TL-2011 package update To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <20111115141537.GA32150@hzdr.de> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Sender is in whitelist: joseph.wright@MORNINGSTAR2.CO.UK); Detail=5D7Q89H36p4L00VTXC6D4q0N+AH0PUCnBi0P5cROEGjO+pG7NAH/K+tf9SrVFtpLrKONl 2T9EL4W4U4jgzLbnCcGpk1z/zwmKT/K1fv3lD0=V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6965 On 15/11/2011 14:15, Alexander Grahn wrote: > Good afternoon, > > I updated my TL-2011 packages today. Now, expl3 doesn't work anymore. > > \listfiles > \documentclass{minimal} > > \usepackage{expl3} > > \begin{document} > \ExplSyntaxOn > \tl_new:Nn\g_example_tl{hello!} > \g_example_tl > \ExplSyntaxOff > \end{document} > > leads to: > > ! Undefined control sequence. > l.8 \tl_new:Nn > \g_example_tl{hello!} > ? q > > What is going on? > > Regards, > Alexander Hello Alexander, We've worked hard on sorting out a number of inconsistencies in expl3 over the last few months. Some time ago now, we removed a number of functions which it had become clear did not quite 'fit'. One of those was \tl_new:Nn - use either \tl_new:N plus \tl_set:Nn for a variable or \tl_const:Nn for a constant. Functions for removal are now announced on the list both when we decide to remove them and when we actually do. A comprehensive list of functions removed since the 'big bang' work (which moved expl3 into 'l3kernel') is available from https://github.com/latex3/svn-mirror/blob/master/l3kernel/l3obsolete.txt We anticipate that very few functions will be removed from the l3kernel in future, but there are still some places where this may happen. AS I said, we are aiming to announce /every/ removal on the list. -- Joseph Wright