Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p7TJArAf001417 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:10:55 +0200 Received: (qmail 19831 invoked by alias); 29 Aug 2011 19:10:48 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Aug 2011 19:10:48 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx077) with SMTP; 29 Aug 2011 21:10:48 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7TJ7h6V015124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:07:43 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p7TElnkI006217; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:07:42 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1612701 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:07:42 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p7TJ7fnJ009996 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:07:41 +0200 Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7TJ7ThT014762 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:07:33 +0200 Received: from cremornelane.demon.co.uk ([80.177.25.195] helo=palladium.local) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Qy7BB-0002Mw-jo for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:07:29 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4E5B6BF7.80208@morningstar2.co.uk> <4E5BA7FC.8060705@latex-project.org> <4E5BBD69.6040403@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <4E5BE370.4050004@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:07:28 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: missing or unclear concept documentation To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <4E5BBD69.6040403@gmx.de> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Sender is in whitelist: joseph.wright@MORNINGSTAR2.CO.UK); Detail=5D7Q89H36p4L00VTXC6D4q0N+AH0PUCnBi0P5cROEGjO+pG7NAH/K+tf9SrVFtpLrKONl 2T9EL4W4U4jgzLbnCcGpk1z/zwmKT/K1fv3lD0=V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6846 On 29/08/2011 17:25, Arno Trautmann wrote: > I'm not Ulrike, but I may have a similar problem: My usage of l3* stuff > is: If I have a problem, I try to find a solution in the documentation, > and if does what it should anyhow, I'm satisfied. However, often I just > don't understand the concepts of the whole stuff. Which is also (besides > heavy time problems) a reason why I don't try to contribute to the > development. As I've said, we clearly need some form of 'learning to program' guide, which needs to give people enough of an idea of where to look to get on. Clearly, if you need to know about some specific thing which we've not explained or made easy to find, a quick message here would be good. > Maybe a two-page introduction in the documentation describing the basic > concepts would be helpfull. This is broadly what expl3.pdf is intended to cover (although I note that it's got 13 pages of material). I suspect that this is not quite what you mean! -- Joseph Wright