Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p71C4A8u015713 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:04:12 +0200 Received: (qmail 19609 invoked by alias); 1 Aug 2011 12:04:05 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Aug 2011 12:04:05 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx112) with SMTP; 01 Aug 2011 14:04:05 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p71C1mR0026506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:01:48 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p71Bd9iJ010519; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:01:47 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1565891 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:01:47 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p71C1lBo027280 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:01:47 +0200 Received: from na3sys009aog119.obsmtp.com (na3sys009aog119.obsmtp.com [74.125.149.246]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id p71C1Ci9026288 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:01:21 +0200 Received: from olympus.frycomm.com ([65.167.125.41]) by na3sys009aob119.postini.com ([74.125.148.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTjaVhztQ/9zkkTzXTbwt7NuMI+lNTmKq@postini.com; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 05:01:22 PDT Received: from [192.168.21.159] (charon.frycomm.com [65.167.125.1]) by olympus.frycomm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7091FFBD for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Priority: 3 References: <1295793648.2637194.1308604124163.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb004> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id p71C1lBo027281 Message-ID: <04DDF439-D2E2-4335-89D0-C410EE65935A@frycomm.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:01:14 -0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: William Adams Subject: Re: future To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <1295793648.2637194.1308604124163.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb004> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (eXpurgate); Detail=5D7Q89H36p6bcXCoXLd2eD4hXfNkt8sSoIdZzwG/kwV5g0mWevetU1hxBYietRexECS3o YUlGSnxux/MLcaf+gptf8+TyfGMwGfFYlLmCefnFfmR06IizRWCuE9shIZ3rjUR0FGZpYE3VtIcS xNxyoEHCNVE3szVul37H6fwBRkTDyiNTCD/UlWT60Rd/0oiWqbXVlz79gJHXEBBP2JrNKKEoVd1W 5a6fzuTS8+B1zQ=V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6795 On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Uwe Lueck wrote: > ... an idea deriving from discussions at the Munich TeX Stammtisch: > > LaTeX3 -- the future of LaTeX -- forever! Okay, given that, what would be the ideal document preamble to make the transition from 2e to 3 easier? I ask this 'cause after a lengthy set of discussions on the OS X TeX and texhax mailing lists I was able to help out a visually disabled user who was mystified by their underscores ``disappearing'' when using a screen reader (they were of course visible in the output, but since they were filled vector rectangles weren't read out) by having them add: > \usepackage{lmodern} > \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} > \usepackage{textcomp} to their preamble, then getting the underscores into their .pdf by prefacing them w/ the \string command. So I guess this has two questions: 1 - what is the optimal way to get non-standard characters like that into a text stream? 2 - would it be possible to create a suggested list of packages which will align insofar as is possible w/ how we envision LaTeX3's 2e compatibility mode, so as to ease the transition from 2e to 3? William -- William Adams senior graphic designer Fry Communications Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.