Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p29ImxXB010086 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:49:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 10645 invoked by alias); 9 Mar 2011 18:48:54 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2011 18:48:54 -0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay2.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.210.211] by mx0.gmx.net (mx012) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2011 19:48:54 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p29Il187023229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:47:01 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p29IHvRU005446; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:46:59 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1272790 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:46:59 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p29IkxJu004944 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:46:59 +0100 Received: from nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.93]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id p29Ikkc1028073 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:46:47 +0100 Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 18:46:45 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.120] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 18:46:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2011 18:46:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 742522.51392.bm@omp1025.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 1286 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2011 18:46:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: K56fWLoVM1nDzC9NLsJZa.6vYDrAlldaZzb9ak4ths4af8W sm6tUg0AuJ.ja1wGHhor2xEyoVi2zXrbGJLFjTDfKesaY9YQUuwxgbkVQGwB Yw8w4dn7wpYEJBlbyrAGqt76HqPJ4p0i547lahHv_JhYjr33wrd79Zln6Bdj JFaqx3Sfi9kmRdYp8YgeK1Meoz7qzxMCGrclmOPWS5ZwseuWQKc1zNje8QWP PSmJnPijYcRlMFFN0_J79aqHT_YhscUT297km8u2.W45tZoX8TIM2yCHoeBq GHC7Ng0ZaCVV2btimTe05wTuBTezc0PRnCzDWcvcdmzMvGeyYdWrvDcbgicU eipqs66cvsWcK6ekrYamK1sQ4tGhcmaOynCgUui3rjmvY8TtlZ8syjqK9lsK 45jPkvief Received: from [206.208.217.6] by web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:46:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 References: <4D738DB1.3020807@gmx.de> <19831.22704.372331.894399@morse.mittelbach-online.de> <56ED2B8C-74D6-4163-A98C-52B8CA052724@frycomm.com> <19831.46135.995130.266054@morse.mittelbach-online.de> <4D77B73F.1000901@morningstar2.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1840968122-1299696405=:95122" Message-ID: <630786.95122.qm@web82007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:46:45 -0800 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Paul Thompson Subject: Re: format? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <4D77B73F.1000901@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p4WX0t+AtsdW2ORvUlAfcdS0skAdU0CyDpncVxtUMPpOqI3gH81aZIXD1cH3 5ETx5RtA06hG3EktnRGhfE2oxt+RU0e7F8YpJ9eB28exjgx7xl4PJV7d6l42PTMYFOttFGsL2SlK x2C0A==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6662 --0-1840968122-1299696405=:95122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think that is a good idea, since what is done by different packages really should simply be options. Paul Thompson ________________________________ From: Joseph Wright To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 11:22:07 AM Subject: Re: format? On 09/03/2011 17:09, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > I'm not so sure about your complaint about meaningless line-after-line > \usepackages, though. I was and is a simple interface but at least it ended up > with a clean specifcation what that particular 2e document needed. > > But yes, why not something better ... but then first step would be to come up > with suggestions what a "better" interface would be Looking long-term, the idea (at least to me) is that a lot of stuff for LaTeX3 should be in the kernel anyway. So a lot of the current \usepackage stuff would be covered by built-in code or at least options. -- Joseph Wright --0-1840968122-1299696405=:95122 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I think that is a good idea, since what is done by different packages really should simply be options.
 
Paul Thompson


From: Joseph Wright <joseph.wright@MORNINGSTAR2.CO.UK>
To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE
Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 11:22:07 AM
Subject: Re: format?

On 09/03/2011 17:09, Frank Mittelbach wrote:
> I'm not so sure about your complaint about meaningless line-after-line
> \usepackages, though. I was and is a simple interface but at least it ended up
> with a clean specifcation what that particular 2e document needed.
>
> But yes, why not something better ... but then first step would be to come up
> with suggestions what a "better" interface would be

Looking long-term, the idea (at least to me) is that a lot of stuff for
LaTeX3 should be in the kernel anyway. So a lot of the current
\usepackage stuff would be covered by built-in code or at least options.
--
Joseph Wright
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