Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p29IcX3V007395 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:38:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 24502 invoked by alias); 9 Mar 2011 18:38:28 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2011 18:38:28 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx036) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2011 19:38:28 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p29IaHxX023208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:36:17 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p29IHvRC005446; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:36:16 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1272714 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:36:16 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p29IaGr2003697 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:36:16 +0100 Received: from ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk (ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.184]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p29Ia1o3018317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:36:06 +0100 Received: from ueams01.uea.ac.uk (ueams01.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.78]) by ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p29IZrkJ020207; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:35:53 GMT Received: from [139.222.112.172] by ueams01.uea.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PxOEf-0001Rs-GG; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:35:49 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D738DB1.3020807@gmx.de> <19831.22704.372331.894399@morse.mittelbach-online.de> <56ED2B8C-74D6-4163-A98C-52B8CA052724@frycomm.com> <19831.46135.995130.266054@morse.mittelbach-online.de> <4D77B73F.1000901@morningstar2.co.uk> <19831.50760.897917.747794@morse.mittelbach-online.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, outgoing) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=139.222.131.78; country=GB; region=I9; city=Norwich; latitude=52.6333; longitude=1.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.6333,1.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:outgoing (inherits from UEA:default,base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 71981909 - 3fb64c5ef380 - 20110309 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.184 Message-ID: <4D77C88A.7010308@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:35:54 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: format? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <19831.50760.897917.747794@morse.mittelbach-online.de> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p4WX0t+AtsdW2ORvUlAfcdSIdQlIL3FTSFQDxQiodii41fjuqHQd8jenp0+N dNY0CcAB8WAv7r3OtvsaDOOiC4T8TWFW3c0h9kbMpE0/ou/MWvK8X//VR9J5RqCotAZER8h4O06e mC19Q==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6661 On 09/03/2011 18:26, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > I don't think that this is what William meant. He was referring to the look > and feel of 2e LaTeX documents which often contain a preamble loading a dozen > or so additional packages. And to be honest if you subscribe to that basic > model of thirdparty development then latex3 wouldn't have that kind of code in > the kernel either. You are perfectly right that right now expl3.sty loads many > packages which all eventually would form a single kernel, but that isn't the > issue here. I guess I see a difference between 'being able to add things' and 'having to add things'. Packages such as fontenc, caption and microtype provide functionality that, in my opinion, should be in the kernel. (I favour a much more ConTeXt-like coverage of 'official' material, as you know.) -- Joseph Wright