Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p29HOICG012257 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:24:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 10497 invoked by alias); 9 Mar 2011 17:24:13 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2011 17:24:12 -0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay2.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.210.211] by mx0.gmx.net (mx038) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2011 18:24:12 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p29HMQFj008406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:22:26 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p29FdUKC005446; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:22:25 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1266785 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:22:25 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p29HMP45019564 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:22:25 +0100 Received: from ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk (ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.184]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p29HMEGt008322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:22:18 +0100 Received: from ueams01.uea.ac.uk (ueams01.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.78]) by ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p29HM6vF013836; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:22:06 GMT Received: from [139.222.112.172] by ueams01.uea.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PxN5G-0000hh-MU; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:22:02 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D738DB1.3020807@gmx.de> <19831.22704.372331.894399@morse.mittelbach-online.de> <56ED2B8C-74D6-4163-A98C-52B8CA052724@frycomm.com> <19831.46135.995130.266054@morse.mittelbach-online.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, outgoing) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=139.222.131.78; country=GB; region=I9; city=Norwich; latitude=52.6333; longitude=1.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.6333,1.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:outgoing (inherits from UEA:default,base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 71975459 - 5c856093d532 - 20110309 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.184 Message-ID: <4D77B73F.1000901@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:22:07 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: format? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <19831.46135.995130.266054@morse.mittelbach-online.de> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p6i75npGen84eVAEFK/syJmAVhAT3mu30VXXBXVubWw5QTKyWVvBu5v+7fbk 2WURP2W/wkmw19y9Ejp5Znp38PV00hlwJxZB/ig130NWiZ37CATwM/wL8F8pqDqlDaBYO79O0tQH bq4FA==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6658 On 09/03/2011 17:09, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > I'm not so sure about your complaint about meaningless line-after-line > \usepackages, though. I was and is a simple interface but at least it ended up > with a clean specifcation what that particular 2e document needed. > > But yes, why not something better ... but then first step would be to come up > with suggestions what a "better" interface would be Looking long-term, the idea (at least to me) is that a lot of stuff for LaTeX3 should be in the kernel anyway. So a lot of the current \usepackage stuff would be covered by built-in code or at least options. -- Joseph Wright