Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p29HNGh7012041 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:23:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 25735 invoked by alias); 9 Mar 2011 17:23:11 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2011 17:23:11 -0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay2.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.210.211] by mx0.gmx.net (mx068) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2011 18:23:11 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p29HL4nu007751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:21:04 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p29FdUK2005446; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:21:02 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1266779 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:21:02 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p29HL2a9019484 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:21:02 +0100 Received: from ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk (ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.184]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p29HKjuE013534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:20:49 +0100 Received: from ueams01.uea.ac.uk (ueams01.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.78]) by ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p29HKeCp011124; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:40 GMT Received: from [139.222.112.172] by ueams01.uea.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PxN3s-0008WP-H3; Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:20:37 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D738DB1.3020807@gmx.de> <19831.22704.372331.894399@morse.mittelbach-online.de> <56ED2B8C-74D6-4163-A98C-52B8CA052724@frycomm.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, outgoing) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=139.222.131.78; country=GB; region=I9; city=Norwich; latitude=52.6333; longitude=1.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.6333,1.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:outgoing (inherits from UEA:default,base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 71975219 - f6d216d1ddcb - 20110309 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.184 Message-ID: <4D77B6E9.8060008@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:20:41 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: format? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p77e5KAPs1l6v/Sb97LojnDtMgfETrECMLUO9erHzOJe7j3G660N4yBY6XHH YPYtmQj6mbYUTZ3LnaFANLWrKE7/wIDhnv+VrW0hxOapLRUwuY9oBqo5h+Dh9B42XlFTMTKlXDju GaV8Q==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6657 On 09/03/2011 17:07, William Adams wrote: >> I thought about this issue, but how should this be done on the technical level? Once you have defined a TeX macro, there is no way to "deactivate" it. I had the hope that it would be possible to require either \NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2x} or \usepackage{expl3...}, but I don't think there is a simple way to do this. > > Okay, how about one defines all the macros using in-accessible names, then the \usepackage call \lets them to the proper, accessible names? This should still give the desired time-savings while requiring that \usepackage be called. At least in the case of expl3 + xparse + xtemplate, the macros only get used if you actively want to anyway. (Galley-related stuff is different.) So I'm unclear on what one wants to 'activate', quite apart from the technical questions. -- Joseph Wrig