Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p28FDLs7025914 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:13:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 9786 invoked by alias); 8 Mar 2011 15:13:16 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Mar 2011 15:13:16 -0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay2.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.210.211] by mx0.gmx.net (mx025) with SMTP; 08 Mar 2011 16:13:16 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p28FBEaX030364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:11:14 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p28EsIbS011347; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:11:08 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1266566 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:11:08 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p28FB8wM010805 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:11:08 +0100 Received: from mta3.cl.cam.ac.uk (mta3.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.25.23]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p28FAsgn030102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:10:58 +0100 Received: from warp.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.9.105] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk) by mta3.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PwyYo-0002uG-DJ for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:10:54 +0000 X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.1.1 Message-ID: <8629.1299597054@cl.cam.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:10:54 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Robin Fairbairns Subject: Re: format? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 08 Mar 2011 08:24:13 -0500. Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p77e5KAPs1l6v/Sb97LojnDtMgfETrECMLUO9erHzOJe+OynZRhvlGqb5A0X bbiCt2rAnnct/NAlbHMvoAL6GY+23tB3khNK7Y6oT1sPizBjJUAOds0oJBO/5TIz9C5741aj9GOJ bE70Q==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6649 Bruno Le Floch wrote: > A plea for slow computers: I don't know how much having a format will > accelerate loading, but I guess that adding tikz would be too much. in the case of pgf/tikz, the acceleration will be enormous, i would imagine. (i don't do pictures any more, but the pgf/tikz tree on the archive makes me feel slightly faint.) however, there _is_ mylatexformat, and anyone may build their own format for their own work. a latex3 format is one thing. a latex3 format that's good for everyone's requirements is going to take as long as context has since it started, i would guess. personally, i wouldn't add anything to it, beyond the replacements for the functionality of current latex (excepting, of course, the extensions -- coffins, most recently -- that we discuss here. so i would be sympathetic to fontspec and unicode-math, but sceptical of many other things that have been suggested here. > Perhaps the {trace} package (although it seems included in l3chk, but > not loaded by expl3?)? however, i _can_ see the rationale of that... robin