Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p269YKoX023933 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2011 10:34:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 25502 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 2011 09:34:15 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Mar 2011 09:34:15 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx116) with SMTP; 06 Mar 2011 10:34:15 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p269WFhi017235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Mar 2011 10:32:15 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p25N145Z025519; Sun, 6 Mar 2011 10:32:03 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 1206438 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 6 Mar 2011 10:32:03 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p269W3Rw018149 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2011 10:32:03 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p269VqtL027706 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 2011 10:31:56 +0100 Received: from morningstar2.demon.co.uk ([80.176.134.7] helo=palladium.local) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PwAJc-0002QH-lV; Sun, 06 Mar 2011 09:31:52 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110221 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D731368.1060701@gmx.de> <4D7335FC.3050007@morningstar2.co.uk> <19827.15373.437917.416434@morse.mittelbach-online.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <4D735487.8070809@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:31:51 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: \coffin_new:c ? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <19827.15373.437917.416434@morse.mittelbach-online.de> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p4WX0t+AtsdW2ORvUlAfcdSIdQlIL3FTSFQDxQiodii41fjuqHQd8jenp0+N dNY0CcAB8WAv7r3OtvsaDOOiC4T8TWFW3c0h9kbMpE0/ou/MWvK8X//VR9J5RqCotAZER8h4O06e mC19Q==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6630 On 06/03/2011 07:47, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > > It's not 100 clear yet, but the initial plan at least for me is that > > coffins are a design-level construct. That means that \NewCoffin is the > > way to produce coffins - \coffin_new:N is there mainly to be wrapped up > > in a design-level function. > > > > Perhaps you might illustrate what you're doing at a 'concept' level? > > in my opinion it should be there, so I would call it an oversight. > > On document level, you are right, \NewCoffin should be enough but if you build > a package that involves coffins it is possible that the names of that coffin > are build from other structures, so that you wan to use :c to produce them When I rewrote the coffins code, I originally included "c" variants, but decided to leave them out pending seeing whether they were needed. I've no objection to them, I was just trying to avoid 'variant overkill'. Note that if you allow "c"-type names, then it's not just \coffin_new:N that needs variants. All of the 'code-level interface' functions should be done for consistency. This is the work of 5 minutes: shall I make the change? -- Joseph Wright