Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p02GndrH001507 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:49:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 19858 invoked by alias); 2 Jan 2011 16:49:33 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jan 2011 16:49:33 -0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay2.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.210.211] by mx0.gmx.net (mx007) with SMTP; 02 Jan 2011 17:49:33 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p02GlvQr001407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:47:57 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p01N14am014420; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:47:48 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 771296 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:47:48 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p02GlmgK032340 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:47:48 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p02Gli6Y008565 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:47:47 +0100 Received: from fischer.Speedport_W_700V (p5B2A3F8C.dip.t-dialin.net [91.42.63.140]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MY4FU-1PmgeN3C9g-00UtIh; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:47:44 +0100 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.29) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <4D1F6F9D.9020209@laposte.net> <4D1F8145.2010308@morningstar2.co.uk> <4D1F8BFD.5000803@laposte.net> <4D1F8DFE.70205@morningstar2.co.uk> <20110101204323.GA14218@khaled-laptop> <4D1F94F8.2010306@morningstar2.co.uk> <20110101230758.GA15697@khaled-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:w75fWgPSi8fJMlUFjqs6MxKsUQ0ZBgP6gzm4CLefBxn 2wVERDMjW4r63el+IdIj3nMwim9FvVfpb5ZFNoyJOGAh1ooFYI 3Kd48UPXDjchIuCLCrwBwD7Vr7e6FiSFM1UaYT/2qfxQBqHkJ3 MT778DN4pl6TR3WG4VxAHlzhvaJ4ur8pP2zuOPkW3mDMZWavKC QGGB4Jd3D8gflfR3tcydw== X-Spam-Whitelist-Provider: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id p02GlmgK032341 Message-ID: <703753977.20110102174729@nililand.de> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:47:29 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Ulrike Fischer Subject: Re: LaTeX3 and engines To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <20110101230758.GA15697@khaled-laptop> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p6i75npGen84eVAEFK/syJmiNoEBJhgjYKpglu1TZLLw7xMZnJMXwBFy+Sxe D/AUQGQOurK3ezVJqUBFH0uN5pjmWoMfpyHp50EZ60/Y6hM43eiKLTaE/W0dI7nIn8+pr4SzneyH Jeytg==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6497 am Sonntag, 2. Januar 2011 um 00:07 schrieb Khaled Hosny: >> There is quite a large body of stuff which doesn't really need >> LuaTeX: stuff in western European languages using fonts already >> available to TeX. I suspect that forcing this subset of work to drop >> pdfTeX, which is quite capable of doing the job, might be consider a >> bit 'over the top'. > Even for "western European languages" Unicode and smart fonts (both not > supported "natively" pdftex) have been the norm for decades now; 8bit > encodings and type1 fonts are obsolete and almost nobody outside tex > community is using them. I don't care if e.g. the T1-encoded type1 font lmr were dropped in the long run. With the unicode/eu1/eu2-encoded open type version there exist a good replacement. But I would be very unhappy if support for local (8-bit or other) encodings and type1 fonts were dropped completly: I need them for the chess fonts. I can't use unicode for them - most glyphs don't have unicode points. And even if all glyphs were in unicode: most chess fonts are too old to follow the unicode standard. I also can't use open type or ttf fonts directly as neither with xetex nor with luatex I'm currently able to reencode the fonts like I can do it with an type1-fonts and an enc-file. I know that this a very special case. But at my opinion it is one of the strength of latex that it is flexible enough to handle them. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Ulrike Fischer mailto:news3@nililand.de