Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p02GQVVf025777 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:26:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 10524 invoked by alias); 2 Jan 2011 16:26:26 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jan 2011 16:26:26 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx007) with SMTP; 02 Jan 2011 17:26:26 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p02GOluP017910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:24:47 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p01N14aS014420; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:24:46 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 771261 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:24:46 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p02GOjZv030675 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:24:45 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id p02GOZUF017827 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:24:39 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jan 2011 16:24:35 -0000 Received: from HSI-KBW-085-216-082-017.hsi.kabelbw.de (EHLO [192.168.0.197]) [85.216.82.17] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 02 Jan 2011 17:24:35 +0100 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/I3o94vkPIFm2Q7yj10Oij32XKDbpw44VIuogHEY E1LLwjX9+ZwGpy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101211 Lanikai/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D1F6F9D.9020209@laposte.net> <4D1F8145.2010308@morningstar2.co.uk> <4D1F8BFD.5000803@laposte.net> <4D1F8DFE.70205@morningstar2.co.uk> <20110101204323.GA14218@khaled-laptop> <4D1F94F8.2010306@morningstar2.co.uk> <703780.66667.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D1F99C9.8000609@gmx.de> <4D206576.2080206@morningstar2.co.uk> <473826.54913.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF522AE3001AF4AFDD764FDD3" Message-ID: <4D20A6C2.4080108@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:24:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Arno Trautmann Subject: Re: LaTeX3 and engines To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <473826.54913.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p7r/chlbP2AFp1PYb4MltGG918w2OQFS7l/UIoBkn8IoY9AhEs891hpaHWz1 KeZK4CWthiO69NrC64P+7ZuG5aU9xHzxM7D4/mTh3Khd9gjsIicjfe1WACCFhcajgzuzng2mqrFv 09xGdKKAf/E3W/jV1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6496 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF522AE3001AF4AFDD764FDD3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Thompson wrote: > There is really a somewhat deeper issue. Like many who use LaTeX for m= ore than=20 > superficial stuff (I wrote a class file newlfm and several sty files, m= ost of=20 > which are not much used), I can read documentation and figger it out so= mewhat. =20 > However, knowing of the EXISTENCE of a tool is really the key, not how = it is=20 > used. How are people to learn that specific primitives exist? It's no= t in the=20 > LaTeX Companion, which is my starting point. Well, primitives don't belong into a LaTeX documentation but rather into machine documentation, and there it is at least mentioned. So to know about deeper lying stuff, you often have to digg through the machine documentation which mostly is not user-oriented, but more a technical documentation. It also helps to read some source code of fancy packages (like fontspec) that make use of many nice primitives (or now, LaTeX3 commands). cheers Arno --------------enigF522AE3001AF4AFDD764FDD3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0gpsIACgkQcYXUw/rerZ62IACgjJHTHLFLNffQsD3N6+rRkMcL fNgAoNygq07c+L5wyRrFIq2+xjQDxLhE =g+Fv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF522AE3001AF4AFDD764FDD3--