Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p01LYBiK001790 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:34:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 16179 invoked by alias); 1 Jan 2011 21:34:07 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Jan 2011 21:34:06 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx087) with SMTP; 01 Jan 2011 22:34:06 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p01KuaHs007148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:56:36 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id oBVN144Z026065; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:56:35 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 771990 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:56:35 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p01KuZeG006604 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:56:35 +0100 Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p01KuPqu007099 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:56:28 +0100 Received: from morningstar2.demon.co.uk ([80.176.134.7] helo=palladium.local) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PZ8Uz-0001n8-aJ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:56:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4D1F6F9D.9020209@laposte.net> <4D1F8145.2010308@morningstar2.co.uk> <4D1F8BFD.5000803@laposte.net> <4D1F8DFE.70205@morningstar2.co.uk> <20110101204323.GA14218@khaled-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <4D1F94F8.2010306@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:56:24 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: LaTeX3 and engines To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <20110101204323.GA14218@khaled-laptop> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p77e5KAPs1l6v/Sb97LojnDtMgfETrECMLUO9erHzOJe7j3G660N4yBY6XHH YPYtmQj6mbYUTZ3LnaFANLWrKE7/wIDhnv+VrW0hxOapLRUwuY9oBqo5h+Dh9B42XlFTMTKlXDju GaV8Q==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6485 On 01/01/2011 20:43, Khaled Hosny wrote: > Just wondering, what benefit pdftex have over luatex (with the later > being an extension of the former), or is it about people who are not > willing/can't switch to new engine? Do we expect such people to be > welling/able to switch to latex3 either? At present there is not too much of an issue: we don't have any working functionality for LaTeX3 where this question really shows up. This may change once we have some font stuff. (As I said, I have some ideas in this area, which include 'shameless rip-off fontspec'.) There is quite a large body of stuff which doesn't really need LuaTeX: stuff in western European languages using fonts already available to TeX. I suspect that forcing this subset of work to drop pdfTeX, which is quite capable of doing the job, might be consider a bit 'over the top'. As I said earlier, we decided to require \pdfstrcmp after some applications came up where the alternatives were a bad idea (difference in expandability with different supported engines). So this might change as we develop more code. I can only comment on what we have now, where there is no strong case for dropping support for pdfTeX. (Indeed, almost all of the day-to-day testing I do uses pdfTeX as it remains my default engine. LuaTeX is a lot slower, I'm afraid, quite apart from questions about bugs introduced by the ongoing changes.) -- Joseph Wright