Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id o87AP5w5020159 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:25:07 +0200 Received: (qmail 22135 invoked by alias); 7 Sep 2010 10:25:00 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Sep 2010 10:24:59 -0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay2.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.210.211] by mx0.gmx.net (mx035) with SMTP; 07 Sep 2010 12:24:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o87APEiY003302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:25:14 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o879mDBK005595; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:23:16 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 540698 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:23:16 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o87ANGh6031629 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:23:16 +0200 Received: from oberon.open.ac.uk (oberon.open.ac.uk [137.108.141.46]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o87AMnH3010791 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:22:53 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,327,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="49716036" X-Disclaimed: 1 Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <4C8560B6.9000705@laposte.net> <65FD666A-1F89-43F8-A0F3-9DE2A5266F7F@gmail.com>, <001b01cb4e4b$aaad9f10$0008dd30$@art-satz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Domino Web Server Release 8.5.2 August 10, 2010 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by HTTP Server on mcs-notes1/mcs/UK(Release 8.5.2|August 10, 2010) at 07/09/2010 11:22:46, Serialize complete at 07/09/2010 11:22:46, Itemize by HTTP Server on mcs-notes1/mcs/UK(Release 8.5.2|August 10, 2010) at 07/09/2010 11:22:46, Serialize by Router on mcs-notes1/mcs/UK(Release 8.5.2|August 10, 2010) at 07/09/2010 11:22:47, Serialize complete at 07/09/2010 11:22:47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id o87ANGh6031630 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:22:46 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Chris Rowley Subject: Re: About standard classes To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <001b01cb4e4b$aaad9f10$0008dd30$@art-satz.de> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p77e5KAPs1l6v/Sb97LojnDtMgfETrECMLUO9erHzOJe7j3G660N4yBY6XHH YPYtmQj6mbYUTZ3LnaFANLWrKE7/wIDhnv+VrW0hxOapLRUwuY9oBqo5h+Dh9B42XlFTMTKlXDju GaV8Q==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6366 Hi Ulrich I think that Will was perhaps a bit misleading but also you misinterpreted him, thus: > The LaTeX3 project has not really started discuss such high-level aspects Historically this is not true: much of the earlier work on LaTeX3 was devoted to the possibilities for designer interfaces of various types (visual, declarative, script-like, etc.). The idea of so-callled 'templates' was one development that came out of this. Also in those early days it was decided to design a whole new LaTeX programming language/system and this necessarily involves a huge amount of incredibly low-level and messy work. This has proved to be a long process with many many iterations and refinements: this is the work that Will and others have been deeply involved in for many years now. Thus it seems to some that the higher-level stuff has not yet been tackled. > Insofar high-level aspects are important for program designers But not for designers of the machine code language (the Virtual Machine in modern speak?). But rest assured that even the highest-level aspects are important to the project workers (and even to the programmers:-). Cheers, chris PS: >> A programmer designing a typesetting system should be aware of typesetters needs. But where these days does one find (human) typesetters to ask about there needs? Some type of list of these needs would indeed be very helpful to all of us (and those working on other projects) right now as they often affect the lowest levels of a language such as the LPL. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302)