Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id o1GGcmYI005828 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:38:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 2355 invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2010 16:38:42 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2010 16:38:41 -0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay2.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.210.211] by mx0.gmx.net (mx019) with SMTP; 16 Feb 2010 17:38:41 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o1GGalw3010852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:36:48 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o1FN14YP013003; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:36:45 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 385229 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:36:45 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o1GGajtf009436 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:36:45 +0100 Received: from ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk (ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.184]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1GGaad5019978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:36:40 +0100 Received: from ueams02.uea.ac.uk (ueams02.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.131]) by ueamailgate01.uea.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o1GGaYn9017209; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:36:34 GMT Received: from [139.222.201.217] by ueams02.uea.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NhQPZ-0001JU-OJ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:36:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B727378.8060704@morningstar2.co.uk>, <4B729944.5050308@residenset.net> , <4B72B36E.6010401@morningstar2.co.uk> <4B730157.5060605@morningstar2.co.uk> <3A6B880C-91AA-4597-8E53-92F72E3FA70A@yahoo.de> <4B7AB267.6030909@elzevir.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Canit-CHI2: 0.00 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, outgoing) X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:outgoing (inherits from UEA:default,base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 42842489 - aeb4167cedf9 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 85.214.41.38 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.184 Message-ID: <4B7AC98E.6090105@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:36:30 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: LaTeX3 8-bit only? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <4B7AB267.6030909@elzevir.fr> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p77e5KAPs1l6v/Sb97LojnDtMgfETrECMLUO9erHzOJe+OynZRhvlGqvET/J 3dm2vHWnQHIuidpgLhS+P7NNYz+zyHLMY9yCwGeoj9BiPgazSVDQFsQIW5ndJCbWUGBVgH7296LE WpM6A==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6288 On 16/02/2010 14:57, Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard wrote: > My humble opinion is that LaTeX3 should define a character as being whatever the > underlying engine thinks is a character. That is, a "character" should be a > "character token" (with the catcode ignored or, equivalently, normalised): > - for pdfTeX, an 8-bit number > - for XeTeX, a 16-bit number > - for LuaTeX, a number in the range 0 -- 0x10ffff > > This way, the format does not need to hack extensively (as LaTeX2e does) around > the engine's limitations, and can let the engine do his job, and concentrate on > his own job as a macro package. (Sort of Unix philosophy: do one thing, do it well.) > > I mean, LaTeX2e *had to* hack around the encoding limitations of pdfTeX because > there was no alternative, but now there are. This was the point I was trying (and clearly failing) to get at: modern engines can deal with things so the formats don't need to. -- Joseph Wright