Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id o1CFCXC3007293 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:12:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 7030 invoked by alias); 12 Feb 2010 15:12:27 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Feb 2010 15:12:27 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx110) with SMTP; 12 Feb 2010 16:12:27 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1CFARb4029907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:10:27 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o1CEvZDo010347; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:10:22 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 384338 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:10:22 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o1CFAMkU026653 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:10:22 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com (mail-bw0-f210.google.com [209.85.218.210]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o1CF9uvW025161 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:10:00 +0100 Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so922117bwz.37 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:10:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.64.21 with SMTP id r21mr1067915muk.30.1265987410715; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:10:10 -0800 (PST) References: <4B727378.8060704@morningstar2.co.uk> <4B729944.5050308@residenset.net> <4B72B36E.6010401@morningstar2.co.uk> <4B730157.5060605@morningstar2.co.uk> <08431600-FDE2-4002-8A22-81CDD6AF300B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id o1CFAMkU026654 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:10:10 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: T T Subject: Re: LaTeX3 8-bit only? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <08431600-FDE2-4002-8A22-81CDD6AF300B@gmail.com> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p77e5KAPs1l6v/Sb97LojnDtMgfETrECMLUO9erHzOJe+OynZRhvlGqvET/J 3dm2vHWnQHIuidpgLhS+P7NNYz+zyHLMY9yCwGoTDtboDaDPUTmYi5shhPJySBzZnboYr4mQK+ZF NwOSQ==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 85.214.41.38 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6260 On 10 February 2010 23:46, Will Robertson wrote: > > LaTeX3 and LuaTeX are orthogonal; one does not deprecate the other. Certain aspects of the work the LaTeX3 project have done, such as the expl3 macro language, might become less useful when/if LuaTeX is the *only* widely used TeX engine. But until then LaTeX3 will not assume the presence of a Lua programming environment. I think that's the wrong way to look at it. The right question to ask is how many people willing to switch to LaTeX3 will be at the same time unwilling to use LuaTeX. Depending on the answer, sticking with eTeX as a base is either a wise decision or useless restriction. > LuaTeX will not be backwards compatible with pdfTeX in the generated output (i.e., two identical documents may have slightly different hyphenation/justification choices and therefore different page breaks). While the changes will obviously be rather small, I don't think anyone can really predict when pdfTeX will stop being used. This is irrelevant, IMO. We are not talking LaTeX2e, where it matters, but LaTeX3, which is yet to accumulate any significant amounts of content. The backwards compatibility problem does not exist yet for LaTeX3, why create one? In fact, sticking with pdfTeX might prolong its life beyond what's necessary. In practical terms there will be some sort of latex3[.exe] program provided by TeX distributions to compile documents in LaTeX3 format. It might as well point to LuaTeX engine and no one will know any better. Cheers, Tomek