Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id o1AGdOso023928 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:39:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 1878 invoked by alias); 10 Feb 2010 16:39:19 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Feb 2010 16:39:18 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx049) with SMTP; 10 Feb 2010 17:39:18 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1AGaV2F001156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:36:31 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o1A9akUk013381; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:36:25 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 398743 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:36:25 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o1AGaP3c030612 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:36:25 +0100 Received: from oberon.open.ac.uk (oberon.open.ac.uk [137.108.141.46]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o1AGaFkk024711 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:36:18 +0100 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,444,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="3520512" X-Disclaimed: 1 Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <4B727378.8060704@morningstar2.co.uk>, <4B729944.5050308@residenset.net> , <4B72B36E.6010401@morningstar2.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Domino Web Server Release 8.5.1FP1 January 05, 2010 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by HTTP Server on mcs-notes1/mcs/UK(Release 8.5.1FP1|January 05, 2010) at 10/02/2010 16:36:11, Serialize complete at 10/02/2010 16:36:11, Itemize by HTTP Server on mcs-notes1/mcs/UK(Release 8.5.1FP1|January 05, 2010) at 10/02/2010 16:36:11, Serialize by Router on mcs-notes1/mcs/UK(Release 8.5.1FP1|January 05, 2010) at 10/02/2010 16:36:11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id o1AGaP3c030613 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:36:11 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Chris Rowley Subject: LaTeX3 8-bit only? To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <4B72B36E.6010401@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p6i75npGen84eVAEFK/syJmiNoEBJhgjYKpglu1TZLLw7xMZnJMXwBFK0zrU udEInhYyaWAzwtcf5K2pCdD+gZ2/z4PnBLkwizaSNzE6pT0gRePHe9G7VSBtUeLVxheN19cq+Z/3 nrhKQ==V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 85.214.41.38 Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6238 Hi Joseph I was not commenting on whether a modern document processing system should support Unicode and other character sets but since you raised the issue I shall question you and comment. >> and so I'm in favour of sticking to 8-bit input only with an 8-bit engine. Does 8-bit input include utf-8? Input is not the only place where character-like things appear in TeX; this is another way of saying what Lars said. Character repertoires are distinct from encodings of characters and these are different again from the encodings used in external files. So you need to know what character repertoires you are going to deal with internally in these various types of string, whether or not these are represeted by, for example, 7-bit LICRs. Cheers, chris So I would prefer it if each character was a character, with no danger of awkwardness. -- Joseph Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302)