Return-Path: Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by h1439878.stratoserver.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id o0MF17p0005421 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:01:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 23663 invoked by alias); 22 Jan 2010 15:01:02 -0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to rainer.schoepf@gmx.net Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Jan 2010 15:01:02 -0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (EHLO relay.uni-heidelberg.de) [129.206.100.212] by mx0.gmx.net (mx102) with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 16:01:02 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0MEwl3v020010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:58:47 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0LN16N4020043; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:58:46 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 16.0) with spool id 386565 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:58:46 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0MEwkv1014087 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:58:46 +0100 Received: from ueamailgate02.uea.ac.uk (ueamailgate02.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.185]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0MEwbEg019867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:58:41 +0100 Received: from ueams02.uea.ac.uk (ueams02.uea.ac.uk [139.222.131.131]) by ueamailgate02.uea.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0MEwbdD025718; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:58:37 GMT Received: from [139.222.203.78] by ueams02.uea.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NYKy5-00070d-6v; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:58:37 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B59B86F.8070007@morningstar2.co.uk> <06B4B7DE-4CBE-41AB-85F4-B81B120D858C@yahoo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Canit-CHI2: 0.09 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, outgoing) X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:outgoing (inherits from UEA:default,base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 40781304 - 8b77a8190d6c X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 85.214.41.38 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.185 Message-ID: <4B59BD1F.7090000@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:58:39 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: Collision between mathtools.sty and expl3 To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de In-Reply-To: <06B4B7DE-4CBE-41AB-85F4-B81B120D858C@yahoo.de> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=5D7Q89H36p77e5KAPs1l6syHa+enbzd/mOn42FjXcNIk5JEEJzK27MwOrTiP+Juu/rJEm XIa7A3IZGa7RPU/V1hL5ENNWelJJBqL+q3qJNuUYyYyh6Ls3fkP1tv/DEh1oCBdqqJW4Z4lYBNRA fRLC3CN1evZm3y8V1; X-Resent-By: Forwarder X-Resent-For: rainer.schoepf@gmx.net X-Resent-To: rainer@rainer-schoepf.de Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6205 On 22/01/2010 14:51, Philipp Stephani wrote: >> This is because Morten's stuff has up to now used it's own expl3-like stuff internally. The team as a whole can't change things, unless of course Morten deputises the job to someone! > > Well, you could simply change the definitions to use \cs_set_eq:NN for the moment. > The main problem with such collisions is that it creates unnecessary work for users or package writers who want to use expl3 or xparse. I should have been a bit clearer: I meant that expl3 is "correct" here, the change needs to be with mhsetup. Something will get sorted over the weekend :-) -- Joseph Wright