Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:18:10 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA8DIAoY009811 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:18:10 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA8DE92j006916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:14:09 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA7N22V5013298; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:14:03 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 352221 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:14:02 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA8DE2vI025175 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:14:02 +0100 Received: from mail-pz0-f183.google.com (mail-pz0-f183.google.com [209.85.222.183]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA8DDvGp032748 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:14:01 +0100 Received: by pzk13 with SMTP id 13so1886647pzk.25 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.80.14 with SMTP id h14mr11274684wal.133.1257686037660; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.103? (114-30-99-50.ip.adam.com.au [114.30.99.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1369908pxi.7.2009.11.08.05.13.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:13:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) References: <4805.1257677519@cl.cam.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Spam-Whitelist: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id nA8DE2vI025176 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:43:52 +1030 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Will Robertson Subject: Re: Please don't \RequirePackage{lmodern} To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <4805.1257677519@cl.cam.ac.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2009 13:18:10.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB5CFB60:01CA6075] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6146 On 08/11/2009, at 9:21 PM, Robin Fairbairns wrote: > Will Robertson wrote: > >> On 08/11/2009, at 3:30 AM, Lars Hellström wrote: >> >>> Well, I think the T1 encoding default EC fonts beat both (at least >>> if we restrict ourselves to the latin script; certainly part of the >>> size of CM-Super is due to providing glyphs from other scripts as >>> well, and these days drivers tend to subset fonts anyway). >> >> I didn't think there were PostScript Type 1 EC fonts? > > there aren't -- just this enormous monolithic lump called cm-super. Exactly, and loading T1 *without* lmodern results in transparently swapping in these fonts, at least in every TeX distribution since early this decade or thereabouts. So it *is* T1 that I object to, in this context. On the other hand, I'd far prefer having CM-Super embedded in all those legacy documents lying around on the web that use the bitmap EC fonts in PDF documents. Of course, I'm aware that for many years there simply weren't PostScript versions of the CM fonts freely available. Before LM, CM-Super was the best of a not-very-optimal situation. -- Will