Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:58:49 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA75wmW1025126 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:58:49 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA75uGqH031850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:56:16 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA6N167B002519; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:56:06 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 350644 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:56:06 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA75u5aK003314 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:56:05 +0100 Received: from mail-yw0-f171.google.com (mail-yw0-f171.google.com [209.85.211.171]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA75u1fH031713 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:56:04 +0100 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1so1464221ywh.18 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.113.19 with SMTP id l19mr9213577ybc.239.1257573360771; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.103? (114-30-99-50.ip.adam.com.au [114.30.99.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm278598ywd.8.2009.11.06.21.55.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:55:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) References: <4AF4A697.2090209@residenset.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Spam-Whitelist: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id nA75u5aK003315 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:25:54 +1030 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Will Robertson Subject: Re: Please don't \RequirePackage{lmodern} To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <4AF4A697.2090209@residenset.net> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2009 05:58:49.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[605915A0:01CA5F6F] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6128 Hi Lars, Thanks for the well-reasoned feedback; please don't hesitate to bring such issues up when they first start bugging you. You're right that I sneaked lmodern in because it follows my own preference; the big factor for me isn't the fonts but rather the T1 encoding; I simply find it a pain to deal with OT1 idiosyncrasies. In turn, lmodern is the natural choice due to their excellent glyph coverage and small file size (as opposed to the auto-traced CM-Super fonts). On 07/11/2009, at 9:13 AM, Lars Hellström wrote: > I'd like to have [lmodern] removed, or at least moved to a .cfg file. Couldn't you create your own .cfg file? (Admittedly, I don't think it's documented that l3doc will read in l3doc.cfg if it exists.) \usepackage[OT1]{fontenc} \renewcommand\rmdefault{cmr} \renewcommand\sfdefault{cmss} \renewcommand\ttdefault{cmtt} While I have no real objection to removing lmodern, in the long run I would like to default to T1/lmodern in general (not in LaTeX2e, of course, but anything "new"). Having sensible defaults matters, I think, and l3doc seems as good a place as any to start with a clean break. Does anyone else have opinions on the matter? -- Will