Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:11:09 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n81MB9oE003125 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:11:09 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n81M7Jht009640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:07:20 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n81M1JWx000417; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:07:17 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 292955 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:07:15 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n81M50HI000861 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:05:00 +0200 Received: from web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.245]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id n81M4kiB015812 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:04:48 +0200 Received: (qmail 44444 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2009 22:04:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1KjStFEVM1lMQ72mLgwgn2_8LLlv48oPBwpC315STGnfcLqz1OeqU_FvoH9dfiwYIxZ2ymxet5nfpnH9RLC4MzaJeTnn04EVoBD4ZqdQAL.WbX2b3qXFyQ0r2lkl9Eb85NI6RaxIHKaBGp9cWOEJXiYbXheed6qNtrV.8AVqniERZpMw_D_q.x8UboTfXw3RJtu6MiWLD5EXiidzS_uALdwlsZqKU8oXpY4TeqTSKOTjje1BfgDl6c.QJk.L3LiypfwBw2xS4gc- Received: from [206.208.223.1] by web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:04:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 References: <122D1D66-1300-424C-9FBC-11C0B0CCB6C9@gmail.com> <4A9517EA.208@residenset.net> <7FF23F49-785D-444F-94E0-28498B035A60@gmail.com> <4A97D80A.4000602@residenset.net> <19101.37807.165630.222380@morse.mittelbach-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <519649.44307.qm@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:04:46 -0700 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Paul Thompson Subject: Other changes that I vote in favor of To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <19101.37807.165630.222380@morse.mittelbach-online.de> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2009 22:11:10.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C5135B0:01CA2B51] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6060 I will drop in a note at this time as well. I really appreciated Frank's clear discussion of the levels of language from the other day. It clarified much of my confusion in reading many of these posts. I have contributed a class file (newlfm) and several styles that no one uses to LaTeX. So, I have worked with the language a fair bit. I am hoping that the new implementation of the LaTeX system can do several things. These are specifically: 1) tools for character manipulation (index - find a substring in a string; scan - get substring from string; and so forth). It has always seemed the height of irony that a system dedicated to working with text cannot manipulate text in any convenient manner 2) some better looping or array mechanism 3) some better storage mechanism, so that a rudimentary database can be constructed. I have done this in newlfm, but it should be a bit easier. Really 2 & 3 are connected. To work with arrays, you need loops. To have arrays, you need storage control. 4) some better mid-document margin control, so that margins can change by user choice. Several have told me that this is not possible, but I have hacked the output routine and am quite clear that it is. These are limitations to the LaTeX/TeX armamentarium which should be rectified. I hope that someone might think them useful. Paul Thompson Professor and Senior Scientist Director, Methodology and Data Analysis Center Sanford Research 900 W Delaware Sioux Falls, SD 57104