Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:13:30 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7RJDTvh018381 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:13:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7RJ7ikQ023708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:07:44 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n7RGOOui024430; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:07:43 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 299514 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:07:43 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n7RJ7hvd028247 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:07:43 +0200 Received: from mta2.cl.cam.ac.uk (mta2.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.0.14]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7RJ7Qxx023420 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:07:31 +0200 Received: from slogin-serv3.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.0.74] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk) by mta2.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.092 #1) id 1MgkJh-0000BY-00 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:07:26 +0100 X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.3; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 22.2.1 Message-ID: <2743.1251400045@cl.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:07:25 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Robin Fairbairns Subject: Re: [REQ] "TeX: Rejoining the mainstream" - comments requested To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:44:58 +0100. Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2009 19:13:30.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[7694D910:01CA274A] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6024 J.Fine wrote: > I've added a new slide (page 6) > Achievements of LATEX (the first fifteen years) damning by faint praise. > By the way, when I pasted this title from the slide to this email, the > two 'fi' ligatures were transferred as page breaks! probably latex's fault. > Here's the URL for the EuroTeX talk: > i agree (with whichever of my colleagues it was) about the odd nature of your comparison of latex 3 with plain tex. what is it you have against numeric arguments? i've never bothered about it until the last weekend when i came across your complaints while catching up with my mail. > (Martin: Thank you for sending me off-list a definition for the XeTeX > logo. I found it ugly (the strong symmetry I found distracting), so I > commented it out of the source. I might change my mind about it > later.) i don't like it either; i suggested to jonathan kew that it ought to be possible to do better, but he reckons it's no more changeable than the ghastly tex and latex logos. > Further comments are welcome! you might try spelling nicola's name right -- i read it as a masculine name before i realised who you're talking about. the fact is that there are myriad latex guides, tutorials and the like, on the web. that you can only think of a couple that are missing is pretty remarkable, imo. i must get back to my latex-leaning documentation work... it would be nice to find people with the skills and the money to build something as good as context-garden, for latex. beyond me, for sure :-( robin