Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:11:06 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7RDB5ee007362 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:11:05 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7RD6XGQ020071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:06:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n7R9WCM0024430; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:06:28 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 297317 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:06:28 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n7RCuSmq000328 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:56:28 +0200 Received: from mail-yw0-f185.google.com (mail-yw0-f185.google.com [209.85.211.185]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7RCuNAK013013 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:56:27 +0200 Received: by ywh15 with SMTP id 15so1243294ywh.10 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:56:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.142.8 with SMTP id u8mr7056104agn.102.1251377783333; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:56:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <15947.1251370748@cl.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Whitelist: Message-ID: <9e623b180908270556m7b8faa40vba9ab4398f4c467@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:56:23 -0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Josh Lefkowitz Subject: Re: [REQ] "TeX: Rejoining the mainstream" - comments requested To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2009 13:11:06.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[D605B5F0:01CA2717] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6016 Any chance of a webcast? On 8/27/09, J.Fine wrote: > Robin Fairbairns wrote: > >> (ah good, the reply-to doesn't cause it to go to jf) > > Robin: You can send email directly to me, if you wish. > > [snip: I've quoted only the passages I'm replying to] > > >> it would be nice to hear hans and taco responding to his claim that >> luatex is a _big mistake_... > > Thank you, Robin, for reading these slides. > > I believe the talks will be recorded and made available, so you will be able > so hear their response. You can also consult the archives of the luatex-dev > mailing list, where I've raised before this very issue. > > I don't expect Hans and Taco to agree with me, but I do hope we'll have a > useful conversation. > > >> > In it I make some comments on LaTeX, which you might wish to respond >> > to, if you were there. >> >> unfortunately, much of what he says is reasonable. of course, being jf >> he's carefully painted us in the worst possible light. > > You have a point here. I'll add something about the achievements of LaTeX. > > How about: > === > * Achievements of LaTeX (the first fifteen years) > > ** Provides styles (aka classes) for standard documents > ** Open: Allows programmers to add their own style files > ** Provides reasonably uniform document syntax > ** Lamport's LaTeX book provides gentle introduction > ** Attracted energies of many talented developers > ** Used and respected by many academics > ** Adopted as submission format by many publishers > ** LaTeX2e an important clean-up and revision of LaTeX209 > === > > Suggestions, as before, welcome. > >> what i could do is prime kate jeary (u cam computing service) who i know >> well. > > Yes, by all means ask Kate to ask a question on your behalf. > > -- > Jonathan > > > The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt > charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302). >