Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:30:46 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7RBUjE4003897 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:30:46 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7RBRdKP007531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:27:40 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n7R9WC9s024430; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:27:38 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 296718 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:27:38 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n7RBRcPS025908 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:27:38 +0200 Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.145.32]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7RBRLnT022977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:27:25 +0200 Received: from laurel.open.ac.uk ([137.108.170.71]) by pluto.open.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mgd8T-0003s9-E5 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:27:21 +0100 Received: from KIELDERCMS1.open.ac.uk ([137.108.140.185]) by LAUREL.open.ac.uk ([137.108.170.71]) with mapi; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:27:21 +0100 Thread-Topic: [REQ] "TeX: Rejoining the mainstream" - comments requested Thread-Index: AconBflTl/DDfM2tRpS1KLpifeEMLAAAHX9w References: Your message of Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:50:40 +0100. <15947.1251370748@cl.cam.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id n7RBRcPS025909 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:27:20 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: "J.Fine" Subject: Re: [REQ] "TeX: Rejoining the mainstream" - comments requested To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <15947.1251370748@cl.cam.ac.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2009 11:30:46.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[D22094E0:01CA2709] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6015 Robin Fairbairns wrote: > (ah good, the reply-to doesn't cause it to go to jf) Robin: You can send email directly to me, if you wish. [snip: I've quoted only the passages I'm replying to] > it would be nice to hear hans and taco responding to his claim that > luatex is a _big mistake_... Thank you, Robin, for reading these slides. I believe the talks will be recorded and made available, so you will be able so hear their response. You can also consult the archives of the luatex-dev mailing list, where I've raised before this very issue. I don't expect Hans and Taco to agree with me, but I do hope we'll have a useful conversation. > > In it I make some comments on LaTeX, which you might wish to respond > > to, if you were there. > > unfortunately, much of what he says is reasonable. of course, being jf > he's carefully painted us in the worst possible light. You have a point here. I'll add something about the achievements of LaTeX. How about: === * Achievements of LaTeX (the first fifteen years) ** Provides styles (aka classes) for standard documents ** Open: Allows programmers to add their own style files ** Provides reasonably uniform document syntax ** Lamport's LaTeX book provides gentle introduction ** Attracted energies of many talented developers ** Used and respected by many academics ** Adopted as submission format by many publishers ** LaTeX2e an important clean-up and revision of LaTeX209 === Suggestions, as before, welcome. > what i could do is prime kate jeary (u cam computing service) who i know > well. Yes, by all means ask Kate to ask a question on your behalf. -- Jonathan The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302).