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([129.127.15.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c20sm21961252rvf.31.2009.08.09.21.22.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-987986863; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) References: <4A7D7AA3.9030309@morningstar2.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Whitelist: Message-ID: <9B845608-EF5E-4395-B12F-51EE964A51C6@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:52:06 +0930 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Will Robertson Subject: Re: Should \ExplSyntax(On/Off) be \protected? To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <4A7D7AA3.9030309@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2009 04:29:27.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[25BB3640:01CA1973] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5850 --Apple-Mail-7-987986863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 08/08/2009, at 10:46 PM, Joseph Wright wrote: > Looking at some code related to building "latex3.ltx" (as an > experiment), I notice that \ExplSyntax(On/Off) are not \protected. The > plan is that all *user* functions should be robust, but how do people > see this with design functions (not only the case in hand, but > anything > else using mixed upper- and lower-case)? Considering that the things that \ExplSyntaxXYZ do are not expandable, I think it would be correct to define them \protected. Speaking generally, however, I'm not sure how much expansion we should be restricting. Lars in particular, recently, has been advocating keeping things expandable (and LuaTeX should broaden the applicability of what can be done there) but at this stage I've got nothing much to say :) Will --Apple-Mail-7-987986863 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGITCCAtow ggJDoAMCAQICECN4qE5kBXLk2f/jVDfSZPwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDEyOTA1NDkxNVoXDTEwMDEyOTA1NDkx NVowQjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEfMB0GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYQd3Nw cjgxQGdtYWlsLmNvbTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAL0BeSiAbKuqxeRN p2qn/m8ZL+xawr/WXyPgEF0FipWgRe9l3sMXcFHokcUu0xOc97R7xkUsGcQ8EyybGHuWey6x7X1Y xJZXnoAxqcaG+eREytoYGMIKs6BhEEogLVb2ERw3lQNVnOzanSFeGo8suMAN4zzCtqAjJiA1ph7h 1pksTgECYK5EiIZbFsB6zSDa8crNk404z1CfIA6YO8ezvjbDda+D0r8NU2tq9WS9F5IaG+bW71Ya JegEcSZ+WF6Z+fs2MUMCLLu8n50Er0nuy4dxOmkdMRNfbeaM39dsEwjAAgcQnvPNmlJ215nZWQRH 49YowtSBOYUYq0ZylWRE6x8CAwEAAaMtMCswGwYDVR0RBBQwEoEQd3NwcjgxQGdtYWlsLmNvbTAM BgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBABaRP8+PDYpKIRGlFgjs1HvMmJnqu4reSqp+ ulv0zJZIjIbX/sLbIsnecl9nycHfhubPdc+hDfpCqNZ2+NGQHwwoyuDl7KOdTY0BDPp3eJLio7ob EYEr0H8rFwqfx2LWJ0G6nMhNEjLvs7sFKyriSpk++TWJnnsf86xai5m0tlOwMIIDPzCCAqigAwIB AgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2Fw ZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UE CxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUu Y29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNV BAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7 TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/ cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRA HmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYy aHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0P BAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG 9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8 /a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQ Gls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAxAwggMMAgEBMHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAj BgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJz b25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAjeKhOZAVy5Nn/41Q30mT8MAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFv MBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTA5MDgxMDA0MjIwNlow IwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFLQ+9Azl+7ZuJkDUvdSYCSl9xy7mMIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIx CzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYD VQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQI3ioTmQFcuTZ/+NUN9Jk /DCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29u c3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNz dWluZyBDQQIQI3ioTmQFcuTZ/+NUN9Jk/DANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBJoHsUDVhdifRo+cC9 aexUFXbk40YU034sN3lJktWEJ+VaTNy3UbEAYvk+TjvdnizlhvRiCAhGB4yUDREPrwat2c5ZlYHv Mi7IMslmwk4hYaVolSTz9Wzvmu5t0w9F/FWQWunge0ipAwDWkNmjxsqxWuVR860JEdt2AB5rfSyK K5nyAiDwLRuUzkAUDCPRKPybJWQhbBz9eCnR5cX0BaSRjuG/mn3mj+kx6qn5zKsw80PS4ubIoi3c a4eiSj9hLj6eWbeH90w1I6LdZkQWXGNVT5hH1Z3LTh9vUB9c+2v8OKpBZZ4T3enPSHzDmRs+p7ca WyvDgNetv38poI2C1jZMAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-7-987986863--