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([129.127.15.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j31sm3077154waf.14.2009.08.06.01.15.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-656368412; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) References: <4A7921CF.5020803@morningstar2.co.uk> <79B867F8-66E2-4E32-BF89-8967B4F58BA3@gmail.com> <4A7A6FE5.6030808@morningstar2.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Whitelist: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:45:07 +0930 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Will Robertson Subject: Re: xparse To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <4A7A6FE5.6030808@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2009 08:23:03.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DD74AB0:01CA166F] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5830 --Apple-Mail-3-656368412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again, Sorry for the flurry of posts. On 06/08/2009, at 3:23 PM, Joseph Wright wrote: > Will Robertson wrote: >> >> One comment I have here is that in the future I don't see many people >> defining weird combinations of arguments due to the prevalence of >> keyval-style argument processing instead. I'd even think about >> dropping >> coordinate-style parenthesis input like "(x,y)" based on this. (Which >> can be emulated easily enough with "d()" and a clist mapping in the >> input.) > > The main reason for keeping a letter for (x,y) is that it can be a > mandatory argument in LaTeX2e, so needs special handling. If all we're trying to do is be able to emulate LaTeX2e, is there anything wrong with writing something like this?: ... { d() }{ \IfNoValueTF {#1} { \ERROR } { The real definition } } Will --Apple-Mail-3-656368412 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGITCCAtow ggJDoAMCAQICECN4qE5kBXLk2f/jVDfSZPwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDEyOTA1NDkxNVoXDTEwMDEyOTA1NDkx NVowQjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEfMB0GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYQd3Nw cjgxQGdtYWlsLmNvbTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAL0BeSiAbKuqxeRN p2qn/m8ZL+xawr/WXyPgEF0FipWgRe9l3sMXcFHokcUu0xOc97R7xkUsGcQ8EyybGHuWey6x7X1Y xJZXnoAxqcaG+eREytoYGMIKs6BhEEogLVb2ERw3lQNVnOzanSFeGo8suMAN4zzCtqAjJiA1ph7h 1pksTgECYK5EiIZbFsB6zSDa8crNk404z1CfIA6YO8ezvjbDda+D0r8NU2tq9WS9F5IaG+bW71Ya JegEcSZ+WF6Z+fs2MUMCLLu8n50Er0nuy4dxOmkdMRNfbeaM39dsEwjAAgcQnvPNmlJ215nZWQRH 49YowtSBOYUYq0ZylWRE6x8CAwEAAaMtMCswGwYDVR0RBBQwEoEQd3NwcjgxQGdtYWlsLmNvbTAM BgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBABaRP8+PDYpKIRGlFgjs1HvMmJnqu4reSqp+ ulv0zJZIjIbX/sLbIsnecl9nycHfhubPdc+hDfpCqNZ2+NGQHwwoyuDl7KOdTY0BDPp3eJLio7ob EYEr0H8rFwqfx2LWJ0G6nMhNEjLvs7sFKyriSpk++TWJnnsf86xai5m0tlOwMIIDPzCCAqigAwIB AgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2Fw ZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UE CxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUu Y29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNV BAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7 TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/ cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRA HmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYy aHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0P BAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG 9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8 /a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQ Gls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAxAwggMMAgEBMHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAj BgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJz b25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAjeKhOZAVy5Nn/41Q30mT8MAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFv MBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTA5MDgwNjA4MTUwOFow IwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFPzmN3P8OEKEFop94ek49p36cR2aMIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIx CzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYD VQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQI3ioTmQFcuTZ/+NUN9Jk /DCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29u c3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNz dWluZyBDQQIQI3ioTmQFcuTZ/+NUN9Jk/DANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQCqblakb/qGSrP4vmvE way6HPNwAEAm5uCTr9u9dA8tUVwCcJFCU5GZooRHKZXU3uIxMQEkK2Z2YaBxjvf1LCGwejTm0q+8 tJEcZfRjafmEHZ1jRmDk7Dp+z804F9f5JE2n+N15z+PWRlojbCKAu5wYyGHvprPVdeNLQveZ7klQ 6iwHAxP3T5aRISLHahM8Z6fE8ZkEusGf53T1srJO/qNRn3d/GNujdPFjNZUzLmRO28FUdWWH+vHn HQN7VfUfyTzX2YkC3Gnp2D5sIIHeovIl4iduhosXkSAW1LUIabF23wqsrVjQ/bzrqVCsDop6thg+ XTIqPYXH8A+VqrpNOltwAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-3-656368412--