Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:18:35 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3S6IWbo012844 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:18:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n3S6D86F028984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:13:09 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n3RM17rs022051; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:13:00 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 271992 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:12:59 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n3S62xmh023850 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:02:59 +0200 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3S62suN003085 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:02:58 +0200 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so235049ana.25 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:02:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.109.13 with SMTP id h13mr9838040anc.16.1240898573672; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:02:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <49F617A2.9030707@GMX.DE> <200904272351.n3RNpkn13124@f7.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644b99eafa0530468973668 X-Spam-Whitelist: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:02:53 -0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joshua Gay Subject: Re: List of all LaTeX commands To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <200904272351.n3RNpkn13124@f7.net> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.598 () BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2009 06:18:35.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[29975FB0:01C9C7C9] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5774 --0016e644b99eafa0530468973668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it would be useful to put "all" the latex commands/references/symbols into a wiki that lets you build ontologies and have metadata. In particular, I think something like Semantic Mediawiki would be useful. Here's why: * You can create templates and forms to easily add and edit references * All of the templates and forms will store the data with appropriate metadata. * You can display the information on the wiki easily using inline queries * You can then query the wiki using a SPARQL like syntax and get the results back in many different formats (CSV, RDF, JSON, etc). * You can easily build groups of symbols/functions and extend the data structures at a level in which you don't need to be a programmer and almost anyone can help to maintain it. I'm in the process of putting together a set of templates, forms, and metadata constructs to organize the comprehensive latex symbol list in this fashion as we are using latex in our FlexBook system at http://flexbooks.ck12.org. As I make progress on this work I'll update this list so that the bullet points can be better understood with a real example to look at. -Josh On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Karl Berry wrote: > I just would like to add to the > sources > already mentioned. Unfortunately, Michael Wiedmann seems to have stopped > working on his "References for TeX and Friends". The source is written > in DocBook/XML, and I think it's still the most recent source available > for a project like this, apart from the much older LaTeX online help. > > As far as I could tell, the miwie stuff was basically a docbook > translation of the unofficial latex reference manual in texinfo, > originally written for 2.09 and updated by various people over the > years, most recently me -- http://home.gna.org/latexrefman. > > This is the project I had in mind when I asked my question. I made > quite a few updates to it over the last couple years, so I think it is > "newer" than miwie; I added many 2.09 commands but had no luck finding > any 2e list. Hence my question. I did not have any precise > "specification" in mind. > > Of course the "latexrefman" is purely unofficial, but of course if the > latex group itself has the wherewithal to maintain something along those > lines, then that would be vastly preferable :). > > Thanks to everyone for the info about the command index and all else. > -- --0016e644b99eafa0530468973668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it would be useful to put "all" the latex commands/refere= nces/symbols into a wiki that lets you build ontologies and have metadata. = In particular, I think something like Semantic Mediawiki would be useful. H= ere's why:

* You can create templates and forms to easily add and edit references<= br>* All of the templates and forms will store the data with appropriate me= tadata.
* You can display the information on the wiki easily using inlin= e queries
* You can then query the wiki using a SPARQL like syntax and get the result= s back in many different formats (CSV, RDF, JSON, etc).
* You can easil= y build groups of symbols/functions and extend the data structures at a lev= el in which you don't need to be a programmer and almost anyone can hel= p to maintain it.

I'm in the process of putting together a set of templates, forms, a= nd metadata constructs to organize the comprehensive latex symbol list in t= his fashion as we are using latex in our FlexBook system at http://flexbooks.ck12.org. As I make progress on= this work I'll update this list so that the bullet points can be bette= r understood with a real example to look at.

-Josh

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:51 PM= , Karl Berry <= karl@freefriends.org> wrote:
=A0 =A0I just would like to add <http://www.miwie.o= rg/tex-refs/> to the sources
=A0 =A0already mentioned. Unfortunately, Michael Wiedmann seems to have st= opped
=A0 =A0working on his "References for TeX and Friends". The sour= ce is written
=A0 =A0in DocBook/XML, and I think it's still the most recent source a= vailable
=A0 =A0for a project like this, apart from the much older LaTeX online hel= p.

As far as I could tell, the miwie stuff was basically a docbook=
translation of the unofficial latex reference manual in texinfo,
originally written for 2.09 and updated by various people over the
years, most recently me -- http://home.gna.org/latexrefman.

This is the project I had in mind when I asked my question. =A0I made
quite a few updates to it over the last couple years, so I think it is
"newer" than miwie; I added many 2.09 commands but had no luck fi= nding
any 2e list. =A0Hence my question. =A0I did not have any precise
"specification" in mind.

Of course the "latexrefman" is purely unofficial, but of course i= f the
latex group itself has the wherewithal to maintain something along those lines, then that would be vastly preferable :).

Thanks to everyone for the info about the command index and all else.



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