Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:01:41 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3PA1eoQ018821 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:01:40 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n3P9wgm8005442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:58:42 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n3OM2FTG028540; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:58:32 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 273606 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:58:31 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n3P9wV51016971 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:58:31 +0200 Received: from neptune.open.ac.uk (neptune.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.69]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n3P9wH1Z005126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:58:20 +0200 Received: from mcs-marina.open.ac.uk ([137.108.64.148] helo=mcs-notes1.open.ac.uk) by neptune.open.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LxeeF-0003L6-4U for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:58:16 +0100 X-Disclaimed: 1 Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: References: <200904240018.n3O0Ige30613@f7.net> <18929.26768.326944.885567@morse.mittelbach-online.de> , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: MIME-CD by HTTP Server on mcs-notes1/mcs/UK(Release 8.5 HF84|February 18, 2009) at 25/04/2009 10:58:09, MIME-CD complete at 25/04/2009 10:58:09, Serialize by Router on mcs-notes1/mcs/UK(Release 8.5 HF84|February 18, 2009) at 25/04/2009 10:58:10 X-Mailer: Lotus Domino Web Server Release 8.5 HF84 February 18, 2009 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id n3P9wV51016974 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:58:09 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Chris Rowley Subject: Re: list of latex2e control sequences? To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -6.599 () BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2009 10:01:41.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5282100:01C9C58C] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5765 Hello Bill >> if I may run the last thought on: Certainly! >>  and that can be regarded as definitive by those who write programs for >>  translating LaTeX to-and-from other formats agreed, and >> I think a standard list of core LaTeX user level commands (from the kernel and core packages) would be great. >> but >> Because it will not be frozen forever in time, >> yes, this is needed in addition to a I had been thinking of both a 'standard' that is fixed (unless, for example, a new package clearly needs to be added or the basic user commands get extended (very unlikely!)) and, in addition, a non-frozen list (or lists) of what is 'available' 'widely used' or 'what XXX-system understands': these lists would then be easier to create since they can be of the form standard + - . It may turn out that there is a need for more than one such 'standard': from where I sit, bombarded by YAMathInput system versions, just to get basic-math + amsmath structures into a well-publicised standard would be really useful. Would such standards suit you too? >> it should be something that is distributed with LaTeX. That of course is up to Them:-). (Getting anything distributed is quite a pin these days.) Any other ideas/comments form suppliers/users of LaTeX-encoded documents would be welcome. Thanks, chris --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302)