Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:44:41 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2OFiSIp023909 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:44:36 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2OFePFQ030756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:25 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2O8wj3G001396; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:22 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 219775 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:22 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2OFeMgU023832 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:22 +0100 Received: from mordell.elzevir.fr (mordell.elzevir.fr [92.243.3.74]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2OFeEWE030617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:18 +0100 Received: from roth.elzevir.fr (thue.elzevir.fr [88.165.216.11]) by mordell.elzevir.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 698CB35B9E for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roth.elzevir.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4798FBFE3 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:12 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <11ECEE9E-C040-44DF-9D1F-97281D9128ED@gmail.com> <49C8B459.5050201@telecom-bretagne.eu> <49C8C80B.3020504@elzevir.fr> <86eiwncer9.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <49C8D015.1070205@elzevir.fr> <49C8D320.3070400@telecom-bretagne.eu> <49C8D715.7020805@elzevir.fr> <867i2fcc7g.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 OpenPGP: url=http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x50A89B42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <49C8FEDB.1000603@elzevir.fr> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:11 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Manuel_P=E9gouri=E9-Gonnard?= Subject: Re: inputenc for XeTeX and LuaTeX To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <867i2fcc7g.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -4 () RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2009 15:44:41.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[726A7B70:01C9AC97] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5748 David Kastrup a écrit : >> I don't mean waiting for three years. I just mean waiting enough to be >> able to tidy up problems. > > Could you name one such problem affecting non-LuaTeX users? > I'm afraid I can't understand you question. luainputenc is meant to be used on top of LuaTeX, so every problem with it is for LuaTeX users. I'll discuss privately the problem I'll have compiling my old documents with luatex+luainputenc with Élie (and with other packages authors if other packages are involved), and try to propose solutions when I can, but it is indeed not the place to do so as many have observed. My point is simply that for various reasons, luainputenc is not (yet) a stable drop-in replacement for inputenc, and so should not yet be called inputenc. Rather, development and testing of luainputenc should continue until it becomes possibly ready to be transparently used in most cases. The value of "most" is to be evaluated carefully, and if it is large enough, then it will make sens to have \usepackage[xxx]{inputenc} actually call luainputenc (via whatever mechanism) when running LuaTeX. Obviously, this is just my opinion. I'm sorry I can't express it clearly enough, so that some people think I am opposed to progress while others see personal attacks where they are not intended. I think I'll stop this public discussion here, and continue discussing technical issues and their possible solutions in private, since I hope a private discussion is more likely to help actually solve real problems. Manuel.