Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:27:09 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2OFQsuo023612 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:27:02 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n2OFNGVK029076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:16 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2O8wj1i001396; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:15 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 219686 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:15 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2OFNFhw022518 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:15 +0100 Received: from mail.quinscape.de (mail.quinscape.de [212.29.44.217]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2OFN2uS018692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:05 +0100 Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 9418 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2009 15:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by quinx.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Mar 2009 15:23:00 -0000 Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C31278F85A; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:01 +0100 (CET) References: <11ECEE9E-C040-44DF-9D1F-97281D9128ED@gmail.com> <49C8B459.5050201@telecom-bretagne.eu> <49C8C80B.3020504@elzevir.fr> <86eiwncer9.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <1jihxi26h837q.dlg@nililand.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.9.0.120; VDF: 7.1.2.209; host: quinscape.de) Message-ID: <86d4c7aqsq.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:01 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: David Kastrup Subject: Re: inputenc for XeTeX and LuaTeX To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <1jihxi26h837q.dlg@nililand.de> (Ulrike Fischer's message of "Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:08:10 +0100") Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -4 () RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2009 15:27:12.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[0129A1E0:01C9AC95] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5747 Ulrike Fischer writes: > Am Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:00:10 +0100 schrieb David Kastrup: > >>> I'm sorry but I disagree on this point. I don't think it is urgent to >>> adjust the real inputenc. LuaTeX is still in early beta, so it should >>> be used only by somehow experienced users, or at least users aware of >>> what they are doing.. Such users should be able to understand that >>> they should either encode their source in utf-8 (and don't load any >>> inputenc) or load luainputenc. > >> I disagree. The development or rather the update cycle of LaTeX is so >> slow that we don't want it to impede progress. > > > Like Manual I don't think that it is a good idea to load > xetexinputenc or luatexinputenc (or whatever the packages are > called) through inputenc. This packages are currently at best in the > beta-stadium. They haven't been tested much, the problem with > auxiliary files with non-ascii chars generated by the engine hasn't > been solved yet. > > inputenc and fontenc are base packages. They shouldn't load > experimental packages which can change from one day to the next and > where it isn't clear that they will stay. When the alternative is that they will just break, I don't see the advantage. -- David Kastrup