Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:22:05 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2OFM1uk023569 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:22:04 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n2OFIIL6024838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:18:19 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2O8wj16001396; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:18:15 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 219629 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:18:15 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n2OF8FDZ021364 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:08:15 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2OF8Dco008907 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:08:16 +0100 Received: from fischer (p5B2A50E5.dip.t-dialin.net [91.42.80.229]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Lm8Ed41MD-0006J2; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:08:12 +0100 User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <11ECEE9E-C040-44DF-9D1F-97281D9128ED@gmail.com> <49C8B459.5050201@telecom-bretagne.eu> <49C8C80B.3020504@elzevir.fr> <86eiwncer9.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18MdcVKrYRJ8vVxP6OuzlG7H3eKaQbGCAZWIn1 EmeBbOQNN3VF/kh2c+ZcYjo5r77l0wE46k6r+VVujmfrPL7MpW xb8pk0K2Ukup6xYK3+/UA== X-Spam-Whitelist-Provider: Message-ID: <1jihxi26h837q.dlg@nililand.de> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:08:10 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Ulrike Fischer Subject: Re: inputenc for XeTeX and LuaTeX To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <86eiwncer9.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -4 () RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2009 15:22:05.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A4BAAE0:01C9AC94] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5746 Am Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:00:10 +0100 schrieb David Kastrup: >> I'm sorry but I disagree on this point. I don't think it is urgent to >> adjust the real inputenc. LuaTeX is still in early beta, so it should >> be used only by somehow experienced users, or at least users aware of >> what they are doing.. Such users should be able to understand that >> they should either encode their source in utf-8 (and don't load any >> inputenc) or load luainputenc. > I disagree. The development or rather the update cycle of LaTeX is so > slow that we don't want it to impede progress. Like Manual I don't think that it is a good idea to load xetexinputenc or luatexinputenc (or whatever the packages are called) through inputenc. This packages are currently at best in the beta-stadium. They haven't been tested much, the problem with auxiliary files with non-ascii chars generated by the engine hasn't been solved yet. inputenc and fontenc are base packages. They shouldn't load experimental packages which can change from one day to the next and where it isn't clear that they will stay. Nobody want to impede progress. But the progress can be easily moved in dedicated packages until they can be considered as stable. And meanwhile inputenc could contain a message "don't use inputenc with engine X, read ... to learn about alternatives". -- Ulrike Fischer