Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:27:39 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n1OETpNa022875 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:29:52 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1OEM2Xk024168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:22:02 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n1ODSejN025540; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:55 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 185739 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:55 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n1OELt9c021151 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:55 +0100 Received: from srv2.thewebhostserver.com (srv2.thewebhostserver.com [91.204.209.1]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1OELh9w024010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:47 +0100 Received: from [87.220.157.9] (helo=PC1) by srv2.thewebhostserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LbyAJ-00021X-Kc for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:21:46 +0000 References: <3391.1235467042@hehe.cl.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - srv2.thewebhostserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - listserv.uni-heidelberg.de X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tex-tipografia.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-ID: <457B03079B254888B0D3F76706E897E9@PC1> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:21:51 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Javier Bezos Subject: Re: "Microkernel" comments To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -1.279 () RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_FINGER_02 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.65 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2009 14:27:39.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C0E9580:01C9968C] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5677 Robin: > it's got to be written _somehow_; admittedly, one hopes that the group > of skilled lua-writers will be larger than that of (xe|lua)tex > internals-writers, but when you're aiming for support from a crowd, it's > often more difficult to motivate *anyone* to do a particular job. > > remember that a good proportion of (current) tex users don't program > (whether from lack of skill or lack of inclination), so there will > always remain the reservoir of people for whom *anything* new must be > written for them. Indeed, but I'm quite surprised to see the work already done by Hans et al., who are going to adapt some Context related stuff for general use. Perhaps one of the best things about LuaTeX is its developers are actually using it in production. And since Lua is a very very readable language, with libraries already available and modern in concept, I think people will find easier writing new extensions. Not my favourite language, but programming in Lua is fun. (This reminds me a teacher who teaches TeX even before Pascal because he believes if you are able to understand TeX, then you'll understand anything.) >> And... LuaTeX or XeTeX are essential for non English documents. The >> age of active characters, at last, coming to its end. > > amen to that! > > there will always be people who'll want things (on the edge of the > possible) that could usefully done with active characters, but perhaps > with a larger repertoire of capabilities they'll manage more sensible > ways of going about their tasks. Of course, but at least active chars won't be required for such simple tasks any longer. Cheers Javier